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11-02-2009, 09:54 PM
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I can understand being upset about the game, I'm upset too.

This is the first 15 games of the season. Every single knowledgeable poster in here knew this would not be a winning season. We all knew there was a huge mess that MacT left, and these guys needed to clean up.

Now, 15 games in, everybody is jumping ship?

It's pretty embarrassing.

This team is getting better. We'll be better at the end of the year than we are now. But it's going to take time. If you thought this was going to be a renaissance year, with the Oilers easily making the playoffs, then you need to adjust your expectations now.
I don't recall any sane poster on this board that made that claim.
I do however recall a few posters that understood how badly Lowe screwed this team over with his cap management.
There is no quick fix for that. Not even the mighty Quinn can spin junk into gold.

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I was reading the list as well and the same exact thoughts came to me as well. Those three guys were heart and soul players.
We continually lost key things and never replaced them.

Heart and soul.
Steel on the blue line.
Face off winners.
PK specialists.
Even Georges.

To find the one responsible, look up, waaaaay up.

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We all knew there was a huge mess that MacT left, and these guys needed to clean up.
I get that you don't like him, but at what point can this stop being an excuse? MacT didn't put this team together. He did a serviceable job with a below average group of players. Same thing Quinn is doing right now. He wasn't all that likeable, but to suggest that MacT was (and to you still is) the reason for this team's lack of success is laughable.

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I was reading the list as well and the same exact thoughts came to me as well. Those three guys were heart and soul players.
Instead we keep Moreau, Pisani, Horcoff.........

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11-02-2009, 09:55 PM
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No, the team is just struggling and having some confidence issues.

The team my have over achieved a bit over the first few weeks, and fans got their expectations up a little higher then they should have been.
Year after year it has been confidence issues, eventually they need to find players who don't have such a frail mental makeup.
I am not surprised where they are at the moment, however I hope they at least get back the effort and more or less jam we saw at the beginning of the season.

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11-02-2009, 09:56 PM
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Jumping ship? No but to see the team repeat the same **** from last year is frustrating...bordering suicide almost

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I was reading the list as well and the same exact thoughts came to me as well. Those three guys were heart and soul players.
They certainly were. Now this team seems to have an endless supply of soft.

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it's just hard to watch the same things happen year after year. I, for some stupid reason, thought this year was gonna be different. I was so wrong.

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Ok which one of you is going to start the "Fire Quinn" thread, because some of seem like you're itchin' to get at it.

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they are? which part?
The Oilers played two good first halves against Boston and NYI. They've started playing a more physical game, and they're displaying some patience and poise early in games.

Aside from that you have Penner driving the net with confidence, which MacT could never get him to do. You have good sustained offensive pressure at least in the first half of games, that simply didn't happen last season. Ever.

Yes, they break down in the second half. Quinn knows this, he's already come out numerous times and pinpointed this as a big problem. Maybe they don't have the mental toughness to last a full 60 minutes. Maybe they aren't physically capable of going a full 60 minutes. Maybe both. But we know the coaching staff has pinpointed these problems, and are working on them.

Last season, you'd see the Oilers play horribly all game, and MacT would just say something vague like, "Uh.. Ya... Horc played great."

Things are better this year. They're not good, but they're better. Let's give these guys time to build something here.


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Year after year it has been confidence issues, eventually they need to find players who don't have such a frail mental makeup.
I am not surprised where they are at the moment, however I hope they at least get back the effort and more or less jam we saw at the beginning of the season.
Absolutely and I agree whole heartedly, but this is the junk they have, so that's all they can do.

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Yuck.


Anyone notice Thompson cross checking and pushing Horcoff as he LIMPED into the bench? How the **** is that not a penalty. The Islanders did not commit one penalty all game? Really. How about Roloson giving a straight arm into Pisani? Sutton jumping into Gilbert. Those were the three gimme's that should have been called.

I'm not making excuses we didn't play anywhere well enough to win, but zero penalties?

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Instead we keep Moreau, Pisani, Horcoff.........
I just pooed a little.

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Quinn and co. need to fix the lines ASAP. No dimension, no chemistry, no support.

Tambo and co. better still be working the phones looking for some size and a shooter.

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Ok which one of you is going to start the "Fire Quinn" thread, because some of seem like you're itchin' to get at it.
This clearly isn't a coaching issue...its a player issue.

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They certainly were. Now this team seems to have an endless supply of soft.
Its a little frustrating to see these three players showing the young Kings the ropes while our young guys really have nobody to ask for advice.

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I still got this team as a Playoff team. Get your **** together.

We are going home and will win a few games there

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11-02-2009, 10:02 PM
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This clearly isn't a coaching issue...its a player issue.
I don't disagree, yet from alot of the posts, you'd swear Quinn was a Mac-T clone.

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Quinn and co. need to fix the lines ASAP. No dimension, no chemistry, no support.

Tambo and co. better still be working the phones looking for some size and a shooter.

What line combo has shown ANY consistency? I think part 2 of your post is the only answer. If we could stay healthy I might take a different view, but there is no chance this team could go 2 months without 5 or so injuries. Hasnt happened in years.

We need size, grit and aggression. With a few of those added the more skilled players will have room to play. I dont think we had 5 hits tonight...and JFJ got held by a guy with 5 inches reach on him. We sure showed them we wont take any bs.

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I get that you don't like him, but at what point can this stop being an excuse? MacT didn't put this team together. He did a serviceable job with a below average group of players. Same thing Quinn is doing right now. He wasn't all that likeable, but to suggest that MacT was (and to you still is) the reason for this team's lack of success is laughable.
Granted, I don't think MacTavish was the entire problem. But he was a HUGE part of the problem.

Listen... We're 15 games in to the Quinn era. Do you really think in 15 games, 8 years of bad coaching is going to just disappear? I mean how can you make that comparison as a knowledgeable fan?

Watch the games. The Oilers are trying new systems, and they're playing with more intensity in the first half of games than they've played with for years. They just need to work on those aspects of the game that obviously MacTavish never isolated.

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I still got this team as a Playoff team. Get your **** together.

We are going home and will win a few games there
meh they wont do much damage in the playoffs.. too small too soft, no one can win the faceoff. Can you imagine what puck possession stats will be when they play SJ? You should check out every centre's FO percentage is disgusting.


I will reiterate that this team should rebuild (a TRUE rebuild). Im saying diving to get a legitimate franchise player, like a Seguin or a Hall

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What line combo has shown ANY consistency? I think part 2 of your post is the only answer. If we could stay healthy I might take a different view, but there is no chance this team could go 2 months without 5 or so injuries. Hasnt happened in years.

We need size, grit and aggression. With a few of those added the more skilled players will have room to play. I dont think we had 5 hits tonight...and JFJ got held by a guy with 5 inches reach on him. We sure showed them we wont take any bs.
The problem is when a player like Ryan Stone gets hurt and seriously screws up this team it speaks a lot about the depth of this team. You can't replace a player like Stone with Nilsson, it just doesn't work that way on this team.

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Its a little frustrating to see these three players showing the young Kings the ropes while our young guys really have nobody to ask for advice.
I agree. I think the lack of leadership is a key factor to Oilers woes. Without Souray in the lineup, there's no one to offer a calming influence. Thats why they panic the first time they get scored on. There's really no one to say....'its ok boys, lets get right back to it'. Instead they just start freaking out and slapping the puck around any which way. It just becomes reactionary hockey and nobody takes the time to breathe. They seem to just hyperventilate.

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They should stick to playing golf, at least they'd be good at it.

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Lol, Chorney equal fumble-dee and Grebeshkov = fumble-dum, according to the Quinn.

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