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11-04-2009, 10:35 AM
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Issue 3 and the CBJ

How will the passing of issue 3 affect the CBJ, and its financial struggle? There are plans in place to build a casino in the Arena District, set to open in 2012 (construction begins in late 2010).

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11-04-2009, 10:42 AM
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How will the passing of issue 3 affect the CBJ, and its financial struggle? There are plans in place to build a casino in the Arena District, set to open in 2012 (construction begins in late 2010).
Hopefully it'll get Wheeling Island kicked off the radio network. Probably not, tho, since now they have competition coming and will want to push even harder...


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The casino is going to be owned and operated by Penn National gaming, so Wheeling Island may be out.

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It would seem to be natural for Penn National to dump a large sum of money into advertising and support for the CBJ; not only will it help attract customers to the District, but the team and arena are located in the State capital and there are big debts to be paid off to the folks down the street under the Big Top. I think that it will be very important for the casino folks to be as visible as possible in the community and show support for other enterprises in the area in order to deflect the criticism that they're carpetbaggers that will hurt other existing businesses. Then again, after becoming entrenched in the constitution, they may not give a damn!

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At the very least, we're done seeing 25,000 "vote yes on issue 3" ads during every game.

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What I found very, very interesting about this is the following: Franklin County hammered this down hard. Almost a 60% voted NO.

In the Precinct where the casino is supposed to be built, the numbers were even more drastic.

So Franklin County and Columbus says no, and the immediate area around the casino is a loud no but yet we are still going to be stuck with it.


I am very concerned and worried what this Issue might bring to the Arena District and the Blue Jackets. I see this being a major competitor with the local bars, thus, hurting them significantly. I would like to hear some educated, intelligent, responses from the people who think this will be good for the CBJ and Arena District. I view this as a money pit and fierce competitor.

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If all goes as planned and a casino is built, I cannot see it hurting the Jackets or other sporting events. On the other hand, it may hurt restaurants, bars, shops etc.

By drawing more people to the arena district that is a plus. If people only go to the casino and don't venture out to restaurants or to shop, because normally a casino can provide all of that, then that might take from some of the arena district establishments.

The casino will probably get on board with the CBJ and Clippers and comp or give away tickets to games, a positive. Also if there is no hotel built into the casino, the area hotels will benefit.

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What I found very, very interesting about this is the following: Franklin County hammered this down hard. Almost a 60% voted NO.

In the Precinct where the casino is supposed to be built, the numbers were even more drastic.

So Franklin County and Columbus says no, and the immediate area around the casino is a loud no but yet we are still going to be stuck with it.


I am very concerned and worried what this Issue might bring to the Arena District and the Blue Jackets. I see this being a major competitor with the local bars, thus, hurting them significantly. I would like to hear some educated, intelligent, responses from the people who think this will be good for the CBJ and Arena District. I view this as a money pit and fierce competitor.
I think the CBJ will benefit from this. At the very least, I'm sure the casino will pump some ad revenue into the team.

And I'm not a politician, so I don't know if this is probable, but this very well could benefit the Blue Jackets arena situation. Not sure if the city/county will be able to get any money from this though.

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I will be spending a lot of free time at the casino that I would normally be spending at a bar...but it will also get me down to the arena dist more as I would normally stay up towards dublin for that...maybe time to look into a condo closer to the arena!!!

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Hopefully they don't put it near the arena.

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Anybody know where they are planning on putting it?

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The key benefit to the CBJ is probably more sponsorship revenue. Otherwise, probably not any other impact on attendance because of different types of entertainment/clients. Maybe the casino buys some CBJ tickets to give out as comps for the seniors who cash the largest social security check

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With four casinos planned for the state (the three C's and Toledo), it will be an over saturation of casinos. The casinos will probably end up fighting for business, seeing how most surrounding states have casinos. The more a casino can offer the better, and Columbus aint exactly a vacation destination.

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Anybody know where they are planning on putting it?
Just west of the buggy works condos. That is about three blocks west of Neil Ave on Nationwide, so very close to the arena.

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Just west of the buggy works condos. That is about three blocks west of Neil Ave on Nationwide, so very close to the arena.
It might technically be in the Arena District there, but not really what I would consider the Arena District.

What is there now? Abandoned buildings? There's a set of railroad tracks over there and the electrical substation..

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With four casinos planned for the state (the three C's and Toledo), it will be an over saturation of casinos. The casinos will probably end up fighting for business, seeing how most surrounding states have casinos. The more a casino can offer the better, and Columbus aint exactly a vacation destination.
This was what I didnt understand about it. To me, you make 2 casino's in the state, the pie isnt THAT big to have 4 casino's, and in Toledo?!? But you have them outside the main city area's and you make it a resort, that would hopefully keep the walk in trash that will be brought in with it being in the city. But I think in the end it will bring more people into the downtown area, which should be a plus. And it would only make sense for them to setup a hotel also, isnt that always the rub that we wont get the All Star game because we dont have enough hotels downtown?

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It might technically be in the Arena District there, but not really what I would consider the Arena District.

What is there now? Abandoned buildings? There's a set of railroad tracks over there and the electrical substation..
True. They have already torn down the building right next to the tracks just west of buggy works, and the old Multi press building is next. It may not be arena district Huntington Ballpark (district) now, but it will be in ten years when it looks nothing like it does now.

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The casino will likely sell package deals that include arena-based tix (not just hockey but concerts and other shows). Since the CBJ are on the hook for arena rent, that helps the CBJ. So their lease problems will likely be lessened and I suspect that's why they were happy to have Iss 3 as an ad sponsor.

I think the office space and condos are likely to have a very hard way to go, as I don't see living/working next to a casino as a big draw (but maybe it would be). My perception of casino patrons and urban condo people is that there's not a lot of overlap.

As for other bars and restaurants, I really don't know. It seems highly unlikely that people who are coming to the casino for the casino will venture out to non-casino restaurants, while people in the area for hockey, baseball, a concert, a movie are not likely to just drop by the casino for food.

It's almost like the casino will be sort of an island in the district, containing a sub-district in its own walls that doesn't affect the other businesses in the district in any direct, competing way.

However, what I can definitely see is a 'stay away' effect that pushes normal patrons away from the district. For example, somebody that goes to the North Market each week might start shopping there less (or not at all) because it gets too congested, or because there are too many tourists or whatever. Likewise, if there's a choice between the Arena Grand and some other theater, people might be inclined to choose the other because the casino's area of influence puts them off for whatever reason.

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Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded. Thanks Yogi Spoon.

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Has there been any speculation about the name? Assuming the casino will do some sponsorship with the CBJ I'd like to know who I'll be annoyed by during games. Looking at the Penn National site it doesn't look like anything good. Probably Argosy or Hollywood. Yuck.

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ughh terrible idea to put a casino in columbus. People don't realize that a casino is a one dimensional market. It cannot advance with the times and I guarantee within twenty years (assuming the casino is built in the arena district) that part of the city will become a ghetto.
Also, with such high unemployment rates in Columbus who is going to be able to afford to gamble their money away? All of our surrounding states already have casino's so we wont be drawing revenue from neighboring states, and if it's true we put up four in ohio, then we will certainly be looking at a money vacuum.

This move can only hurt the Blue Jackets and the sparkling image of the arena district, in a decade things will be headed down hill.

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It's going to be a trashy Hollywood Casino, that's probably why most voted against it in Franklin and surrounding counties

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I am very concerned and worried what this Issue might bring to the Arena District and the Blue Jackets. I see this being a major competitor with the local bars, thus, hurting them significantly. I would like to hear some educated, intelligent, responses from the people who think this will be good for the CBJ and Arena District. I view this as a money pit and fierce competitor.
Downtown St Louis has a casino and the ONLY place people go to bars downtown is by the casino, the bars will be just fine. Trust me.

I am really shocked at all the opposition to Issue 3. I live in the Arena District and think it's a slam-dunk winner.

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It might technically be in the Arena District there, but not really what I would consider the Arena District.

What is there now? Abandoned buildings? There's a set of railroad tracks over there and the electrical substation..
Of course, the current Arena district about 12 years ago was abandoned buildings, railroad tracks and parking lots.

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Downtown St Louis has a casino and the ONLY place people go to bars downtown is by the casino, the bars will be just fine. Trust me.

I am really shocked at all the opposition to Issue 3. I live in the Arena District and think it's a slam-dunk winner.
I am not against gambling, or casinos. I just thought that this particular deal was not a good one. Writing these 2 companies into our State Constitution smacks of corruption. A little over the top to ensure they get what they want, but they bought it, fair and square.

Also this impacts the Blue Jackets in various ways.*






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