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11-04-2009, 04:55 PM
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I can't believe no one has mentioned the obvious increase in employment that this will bring to Columbus (more money in pockets = more tickets bought to games, sweaters, game memoribilia(sp?), etc.). With that, all the tax monies generated, the increase in traffic, and presumably, the sponsorship(s) that could be generated, it COULD be great for the Jackets.

It should be good for Columbus and all of Ohio, also... the more people in the arena district/downtown, the more money spent, the more 'public awareness' the CBJ get. Seems like a big win..... IF it's marketed, run and maintained properly and correctly.

Casinos bring people that spend money freely. Businesses like money and people that like to spend, so I can't see it being terribly bad.... it's all going to be in the marketing, and I'm not only talking about the casino here. Local restaurant/business owners would do well to get in good with casino managers.... a 'scratch-my-back-and-I'll-scratch-yours' type of thing, if you will.

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I am moving from Columbus to Kentucky in less than a month. This casino is DEFINITELY a good thing for me, and I will be going to more jackets games because of it. Making the trip up to Columbus sounds a lot better when it is Jackets+poker rather than just Jackets. Coming up for a couple days for back to back jackets games and filling the time between in the casino sounds like a good trip to me!

/they are having poker, right?

They damn well better.... only reason I'd go, TBH.

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I just don't get the casino love here. Guess I'm too old. I don't see adding a Casino to our Arena district as adding anything greatly beneficial. I mean I like to gamble, don't get me wrong, but I just don't see the attraction. The Arena District is a really clean attactive family friendly area. There's plenty of bars & such, north of NA for late night partying. Columbus will never ever be on par with Vegas. If you're thinking that is a remote possibility you are dreaming. Vegas is a destination. St. Louis, Montreal and Detroit are not. We fit in the second group, not the first. It will bring more people to the area, but not all desirable folks. That will decrease the attractiveness of the area. I think Detroit is a good example here. Is that really what we aspire to? Just asking. I agree with the sentiment that 10-15 years from now the area will be much seedier than today, less of a desirable destination. And that's not good for the Jackets. Every neighboring state except Kentucky now has casino gambling, so there won't be a tourist draw to speak of. And the thought that people will buy more Jackets tickets with their winnings is laughable. 98% of the time, they will have less money to spend on the CBJ. We're competing for the same entertainment dollars.


Just don't see the benefit. And I hate that it will wreck what is the jewel of our city. The AD.

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11-04-2009, 05:14 PM
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As someone who has to travel to see the games, this is a positive thing. One more thing to do in the District.

We have plenty of casinos in California. I've yet to see one that financially struggles, so having 4 in a state the size of Ohio is not a big deal. Contrary to the old wive's tales, I don't see ghettos surrounding the casinos out here, other than the ones that already existed. Commerce Casino near LA is in a bad neighborhood, but it isn't bad because of the casino. Pechanga out in Inland Empire is actually quite nice and has some middle income houses surrounding it.

For folks like my parents who drive out of their way to Wheeling, they'll now just head to Columbus and maybe stay and spend some money.

For those that didn't want it in the Consitution--my understanding is that is the only way it could happen. Hence the whole flap when Strickland tried to do an end around and get it in race tracks.

As for the Jackets...they should have had their hand out and sided with the casinos. This was their chance to pay for the County's takeover of the Arena without a significant voter backlash. But, they played it safe and the casinos went through without them getting their bailout. So, now they are going to have to go on the ballot by themselves in a less popular tax vote (unless an ingenious alternative presents itself). I wonder if their Wheeling Island sponsorship prevented them from working with the casino people.

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11-04-2009, 05:18 PM
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I just don't get the casino love here. Guess I'm too old. I don't see adding a Casino to our Arena district as adding anything greatly beneficial. I mean I like to gamble, don't get me wrong, but I just don't see the attraction. The Arena District is a really clean attactive family friendly area. There's plenty of bars & such, north of NA for late night partying. Columbus will never ever be on par with Vegas. If you're thinking that is a remote possibility you are dreaming. Vegas is a destination. St. Louis, Montreal and Detroit are not. We fit in the second group, not the first. It will bring more people to the area, but not all desirable folks. That will decrease the attractiveness of the area. I think Detroit is a good example here. Is that really what we aspire to? Just asking. I agree with the sentiment that 10-15 years from now the area will be much seedier than today, less of a desirable destination. And that's not good for the Jackets. Every neighboring state except Kentucky now has casino gambling, so there won't be a tourist draw to speak of. And the thought that people will buy more Jackets tickets with their winnings is laughable. 98% of the time, they will have less money to spend on the CBJ. We're competing for the same entertainment dollars.


Just don't see the benefit. And I hate that it will wreck what is the jewel of our city. The AD.

End rant.

I don't understand why it is said that casinos bring "seedy" people. Most that I have been to seem to attract buses full of retired people and average people looking to entertain themselves.

Maybe I am wrong...I have only been to a few.

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11-04-2009, 05:21 PM
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I don't understand why it is said that casinos bring "seedy" people. Most that I have been to seem to attract buses full of retired people and average people looking to entertain themselves.

Maybe I am wrong...I have only been to a few.
Yeah. Never understood this argument. Also never understood the casino = prostitutes argument. Yes, there is prostitution in Nevada, but I just don't see that element out here at the card houses and "Indian" casinos.

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11-04-2009, 05:22 PM
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I bet this works out in the long run.
I hope it does. I'm just extremely skeptical.

Then again, I'm the sort of person who would have been part of those door-to-door singing parties promoting the Eighteenth Amendment in the 20s, so I'm not exactly the sort of person whose judgment should be uncritically trusted on these sorts of issues. I guess this is why we live in a democracy - so that forward-thinking, rational people like y'all don't have to be held back by paranoid, overly moralistic folks like myself.

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Everyone knows that if you build a casino in SimCity you have to build a police station right next to it.

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It will not only help the jackets but it will help the city. It's as close to having an ocean beach and tropical weather to attract visitors as we will get.

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I don't understand why it is said that casinos bring "seedy" people. Most that I have been to seem to attract buses full of retired people and average people looking to entertain themselves.

Maybe I am wrong...I have only been to a few.

I guess this is just my observation with the urban casino's I've been to in Detroit and Gary, Ind. Wasn't overly impressed with the overall atmosphere or clientele. Retirees seem to be more prevalent in the rural casino's like Lawrenceburg, Ind or Traverse City, Mi. We will be an urban casino.

Las Vegas is in an entirely different league.

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There will be no poker at the casino

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why will there be no poker ?? they have poker in Penn Casinos

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The only way I can get behind this is if it has a very large hotel. That, along with the other new hotel being built, will help Columbus be more competitive against other cities in the region for convention business. A casino within walking distance won't be a bad thing for convention goers either. Though I wonder about the NCAA.

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I can't believe no one has mentioned the obvious increase in employment that this will bring to Columbus (more money in pockets = more tickets bought to games, sweaters, game memoribilia(sp?), etc.). With that, all the tax monies generated, the increase in traffic, and presumably, the sponsorship(s) that could be generated, it COULD be great for the Jackets.

It should be good for Columbus and all of Ohio, also... the more people in the arena district/downtown, the more money spent, the more 'public awareness' the CBJ get. Seems like a big win..... IF it's marketed, run and maintained properly and correctly.

Casinos bring people that spend money freely. Businesses like money and people that like to spend, so I can't see it being terribly bad.... it's all going to be in the marketing, and I'm not only talking about the casino here. Local restaurant/business owners would do well to get in good with casino managers.... a 'scratch-my-back-and-I'll-scratch-yours' type of thing, if you will.
Having more entertainment options will not increase the money most people have for entertainment. You can only hope to increase it by: drawing more money from out-of-town and putting more people to work (although these jobs aren't likely to be the kinds that lead to large amounts of discretionary income). Color me skeptical.

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I guess this is just my observation with the urban casino's I've been to in Detroit and Gary, Ind. Wasn't overly impressed with the overall atmosphere or clientele. Retirees seem to be more prevalent in the rural casino's like Lawrenceburg, Ind or Traverse City, Mi. We will be an urban casino.

Las Vegas is in an entirely different league.
I hate to tell you this, but there were seedy people in Detroit and Gary long before there were casinos. Casinos didn't cause the problem. In fact, most people I know from Detroit talk about the casinos helping to revitalize downtown. Calling Lawrenceburg rural is also a bit of a stretch. It is on the outskirts of Cincinnati and does well because it is close to an urban center.

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I guess this is just my observation with the urban casino's I've been to in Detroit and Gary, Ind. Wasn't overly impressed with the overall atmosphere or clientele. Retirees seem to be more prevalent in the rural casino's like Lawrenceburg, Ind or Traverse City, Mi. We will be an urban casino.

Las Vegas is in an entirely different league.
We're talking about Columbus here. Gary and Detroit are terrible comparisons.

The crowd will probably be the same.. casinos have this negative reputation because Vegas isn't exactly the cleanest city, and there are shenanigans all around that area. This isn't Vegas. We aren't trying to be Vegas.

I have plenty of "good" friends who are excited about this. People you find in coffee shops, people you find in the bars around the arena before games, people at the games. I don't see this is a bad thing at all, if it's ran properly. As many others have said, it's another thing to do in that area, and Columbus. It'll only bring people to the city and arena district.

Sure, there will be more "seedy" people. But there will probably be double the amount of good people who just want to have some fun.

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Laughable article by Arace. He should stick to sports commentary. Whenever he goes off on a tangent (remember his "Manifest Destiny" debacle?), he sounds like a rambling drunk at the corner of the bar.

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I don't agree with Arace. I think the more traffic in the district the better for all business. Exposure is half the battle. There will be people who go gambling that will be amazed to see an arena and a stadium on the same block.

The hard core gamblers, yes they will only go to the casino. But many people will go to other parts of the district, especially if they are staying overnight and will probably walk right by, or drive, many of the businesses, to get to their hotel. There are no plans to build a hotel at the casino.

I think the positives of a casino outweigh the negatives. For my whole life, before the CBJ, there was no reason to go downtown after dark. Now this city is growing by huge leaps, I'm for it.

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There will be no poker at the casino
WHAAAAT they've screwed it up....

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He just basically said everything I was thinking but didn't think I could say due to forum rules.

Again, I want to believe things can and will be better... but I am very skeptical. Penn's got what they wanted entrenched in the State Constitution and virtually nothing can stop them now. What possible reason do they have to be good neighbors?

I really do think we're going to regret this one. I really do.

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WHAAAAT they've screwed it up....
That's just the assumption based on the plan that NBC4 reported on a month or so ago.

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Poker isn't a big money maker for the casino's. You pay them a small portion of your buy in to play against other players, not the house. Couple that with the fact that poker players tend to just play poker and avoid the slots and other tables, it doesn't surprise me that there wont be any poker at the casino.

I was really surprised when a lot of casinos that didn't have poker rooms started getting them a few years ago. I realize that poker's big but it doesn't help the casino's bottom line at all. In fact, it may cost them more to have a poker room than to not have one.

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Wait till they build the casino in the arena district then Columbus should enact a business revenue tax on gambling revenues. I would guess a rate of 10% - 15% should be high enough to allow a rebate to keep the Blue Jackets...

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Poker isn't a big money maker for the casino's. You pay them a small portion of your buy in to play against other players, not the house. Couple that with the fact that poker players tend to just play poker and avoid the slots and other tables, it doesn't surprise me that there wont be any poker at the casino.

I was really surprised when a lot of casinos that didn't have poker rooms started getting them a few years ago. I realize that poker's big but it doesn't help the casino's bottom line at all. In fact, it may cost them more to have a poker room than to not have one.
There's one thing you are forgetting about poker and the reason poker rooms have become money makers--tournaments. Poker tournaments are where the house can make serious money. The WSOP satellites and other weekend money tournaments are where poker rooms pay off. The funny thing is, for the player tourneys are often a horrible way to get your money's worth. Because of their structure (number or players, how quickly blinds go up, etc.) they usually rely more on luck than skill. This is why you often see odd results even at the WSOP.

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