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11-06-2009, 10:22 AM
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Ever been to Wheeling? Chester, WVa? If people will travel to those places to bet, then they'll travel here. I probably won't go more than once or twice, mostly out of curiosity, but I think there are quite of few folks who will. Seems to me that the negative impact of the casino is being overblown. For that matter, so is the positive! It's really too early to tell how it will all play out. Much depends on how it's integrated into the District and what connections are made with the other activities in the area.
Pete, you have a way of making sense out of things.

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I can’t believe some people are still blithering about how the area is supposedly going to become a hellhole now. This is one of the best things that has happened to Columbus since the Jackets. If you don't think casinos are moral, don't go in one. But don't try to tell me this will create compulsive gamblers, because we already have horse tracks, the lottery and online gambling. And don't give me that crap about how the Arena District is going to turn into some Atlantic City backalley; St. Louis, Montreal, Miami and many other respectable cities have casinos. It's called security and the police... This does nothing but bring tourism dollars into the city, and add another big-city entertainment option. I guess we want to outlaw the brothel and the saloon, while we're at it? They bring in a seedy element from time to time, right? That means strip clubs and bars, by the way, but since some people seem to be stuck in the 1920’s….

I actually think it will HELP the Jackets immensely – there’s more incentive for people to come down to the game if they can make a night out of it by going to the casino/bars afterwards. There’s also more incentive for visiting fans to make road trips to Columbus. Of course, NOTHING will help or hurt attendance as much as how the team is doing. A casino won't change that.

I dont think the casino is going to affect them, way or another.

I know two groups of people coming up from Carolina and already making a long weekend out of it. 4 days, 3 nights and this is WITHOUT the casino.

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I just don't get the casino love here. Guess I'm too old. I don't see adding a Casino to our Arena district as adding anything greatly beneficial. I mean I like to gamble, don't get me wrong, but I just don't see the attraction. The Arena District is a really clean attactive family friendly area. There's plenty of bars & such, north of NA for late night partying. Columbus will never ever be on par with Vegas. If you're thinking that is a remote possibility you are dreaming. Vegas is a destination. St. Louis, Montreal and Detroit are not. We fit in the second group, not the first. It will bring more people to the area, but not all desirable folks. That will decrease the attractiveness of the area. I think Detroit is a good example here. Is that really what we aspire to? Just asking. I agree with the sentiment that 10-15 years from now the area will be much seedier than today, less of a desirable destination. And that's not good for the Jackets. Every neighboring state except Kentucky now has casino gambling, so there won't be a tourist draw to speak of. And the thought that people will buy more Jackets tickets with their winnings is laughable. 98% of the time, they will have less money to spend on the CBJ. We're competing for the same entertainment dollars.


Just don't see the benefit. And I hate that it will wreck what is the jewel of our city. The AD.

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I wish people would wake up. WHAT TOURISM!!!??? The only people going to this casino on a regular basis is gonna be locals. News Flash: ALL the states around us already have one AND Cincy, Cleveland, and Toledo have one too. So why the hell would someone drive here for a casino when they have one in their backyard???

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11-06-2009, 11:13 AM
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I sent him an email based on similar issues you mentioned. Lets face it, how often does one hear about the droves of people dying to visit Columbus to walk around the Short North or Brewery District? Almost never. I've been down to the Arena District when nothing is going on during the week-it's a ghost town.

The Arena district will be buzzing with activity every day of the year with a Casino down there. I think hockey, baseball, local bars, restaurants and hotels will all benefit. There will be quite a bit of cash coming into the city if it happens, not to mention 2000 jobs.

Robert, I love ya man but "Buzzing every day", . . . . .seriously?? Come on. I have lived here in Columbus for almost 30 years, (im 27 now). Born AND Raised here. And I would go as far to say I love this city more than anyone. I cherish living here and want nothing but the best.

1) Buzzing. hahaha. No way man. I cant wait to check out downtown Columbus on a mid-week day in late August to see the "buzz" going on. Youre dreaming here and I wish this was true but its not gonna happen.

2) Cash coming in. Nope. Its going to be only locals at this casino!!!! Why cant people understand that. No one is going to come here from far away, specifically for the Junk Hollywood casino.

3) Jobs. Uhhhh, yeah about those. 75% of the jobs "created" are just temporary construction jobs. The others are mostly low-paying, high school or less educated jobs that are not glamorous by any means.

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2) Cash coming in. Nope. Its going to be only locals at this casino!!!! Why cant people understand that. No one is going to come here from far away, specifically for the Junk Hollywood casino.
For the casino? No. For Blue Jackets and Clippers games? Yes.

Look at how packed the arena is when we play the Pens, the Wings, the Sabres, etc. The fans of these teams now have something to keep them in the city, and the Arena District, other than the game itself and the bars and restaurants. Granted, it may be a small number, but I can definitely see it happening.

Ultimately time will tell what's going to happen. But the cross promotional opportunities between the casino and the Jackets are too huge for either side to not take advantage of.

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just to put in perspective what the Wheelign casino is doing financially...

http://www.news-register.net/page/co...5&showlayout=0

WHEELING - Even when faced with competition from Pennsylvania's slot machine casinos, West Virginia's four racetracks pulled in more than $882 million worth of gambling revenue in fiscal 2009.

Based on the Mountain State's approximate 42 percent tax on slot machine revenue and 35 percent tax on table gambling cash flow, gambling bolstered West Virginia's coffers by more than $390 million during the last fiscal year - roughly 10 percent of the state's $3.9 billion FY 2009 general fund budget.


One casino handing WV 10 percent of the state's budget. Something like that could help.

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^ Too bad the casinos that just got approved are only 33%.

In addition, we wont make that much money because some of those dollars came from right here in Ohio. So you can lower those numbers significantly. Those numbers were increased from people who do not have casinos in Ohio, thus, providing a type of dream/artificial non-reality total money dollar.


Ohio wont make that much on the casinos, if you think so youre dreaming.

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11-06-2009, 12:40 PM
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I wish people would wake up. WHAT TOURISM!!!??? The only people going to this casino on a regular basis is gonna be locals. News Flash: ALL the states around us already have one AND Cincy, Cleveland, and Toledo have one too. So why the hell would someone drive here for a casino when they have one in their backyard???
Yes, you are soooo right. Detroit was a beautiful place until they built those casinos.

So, money from locals doesn't count?

And doesn't the presence of a casino mean that the out-of-towners (conventioneers, fans of opposing teams, etc.) who come here already might now have somewhere else to drop their money while they are in town? I know that its likely I'll spend more when I'm in Columbus if there is a casino.

For the people that keep talking about how it competes for the "entertainment dollar," I think some of you are under the misconception that the majority of casino-goers are people that might otherwise go to Jackets games, and I'm not sure that's a safe assumption. Not to mention the "entertainment dollar" and "casino dollar" that we keep here in Columbus that would have otherwise have gone to Wheeling or Lawrenceburg.

For all the people saying the jobs are "low paying," well, no, they aren't doctor and lawyer jobs, but casinos typically pay people with little to no education better than they might get otherwise.

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Here's THE question as far as the CBJ-Casino connection. If they a build a Hollywood casino, does that mean the return of Ron Hainsey is imminent?

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^ Too bad the casinos that just got approved are only 33%.

In addition, we wont make that much money because some of those dollars came from right here in Ohio. So you can lower those numbers significantly. Those numbers were increased from people who do not have casinos in Ohio, thus, providing a type of dream/artificial non-reality total money dollar.


Ohio wont make that much on the casinos, if you think so youre dreaming.
I am pretty sure central ohio has a larger population than the west virginia panhandle, not to mention more annual visitors, which leads me to think that people coming will not be an issue.

Yes, the % isn't equal to WV... so Ohio makes, say, 100 million instead of 390 million. Does Ohio not need 100 million? (I pulled 100 million out of my butt, but its 1/3rd of WV's numbers. Thought I was being generous.)

This will be good for CBJ.

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Ever been to Wheeling? Chester, WVa? If people will travel to those places to bet, then they'll travel here.
Agreed. I was thinking the same thing. If Wheeling Island can sustain itself, Columbus' casino should do fine. And as has been said before, it's not entirely about bringing people in from out of state; it's about keeping them in-state. Ohio dollars need to stay in Ohio, and if we get a few out-of-staters who want to spend their money here, all the better.

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^ Too bad the casinos that just got approved are only 33%.

In addition, we wont make that much money because some of those dollars came from right here in Ohio.
Legislators are working right now to restructure Issue 3 so that Ohio gets a better cut of the profits. And the money that we make will primarily be money that Ohioans would have spent at out-of-state casinos. Even if only half of the money that goes to out-of-state casinos stays in Ohio (a conservative estimate), that's $166M the state and local governments collect in taxes that would otherwise have gone out of state.

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Remember another thing. We also have a convention center that does draw conventions from far and wide.

The casino is within walking distance of said convention center and could be used to attract even more conventions.

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Legislators are working right now to restructure Issue 3 so that Ohio gets a better cut of the profits. And the money that we make will primarily be money that Ohioans would have spent at out-of-state casinos. Even if only half of the money that goes to out-of-state casinos stays in Ohio (a conservative estimate), that's $166M the state and local governments collect in taxes that would otherwise have gone out of state.
"And everyone's taxes are going to go down."
Trust me on this, 'cause this is exactly what happened when they passed the Lottery.

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Legislators are working right now to restructure Issue 3 so that Ohio gets a better cut of the profits. And the money that we make will primarily be money that Ohioans would have spent at out-of-state casinos. Even if only half of the money that goes to out-of-state casinos stays in Ohio (a conservative estimate), that's $166M the state and local governments collect in taxes that would otherwise have gone out of state.
I'm not an automatic anti-gub'mint type, but I don't trust them to get this right. These are the same legislators who sat on their hands while this all went down instead of drawing up their own legislation in the first place.

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"And everyone's taxes are going to go down."
Trust me on this, 'cause this is exactly what happened when they passed the Lottery.
No one's taxes are going down, and I wasn't implying that at all. The state's budget is already in the red. The point is, this brings money to the state that otherwise would have gone to one of our neighbors.

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I'm not an automatic anti-gub'mint type, but I don't trust them to get this right. These are the same legislators who sat on their hands while this all went down instead of drawing up their own legislation in the first place.
True, and they paid for it by allowing a weak bill in Issue 3 to set precedent. But even with its flaws, passing Issue 3 was necessary to get the ball rolling. It puts the onus on the legislators to amend the constitution so that Ohio gets a bigger slice of the pie, and if nothing else, Ohio is still going to get a couple hundred million more in its coffers that otherwise would not be there.

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Ever been to Wheeling? Chester, WVa? If people will travel to those places to bet, then they'll travel here. I probably won't go more than once or twice, mostly out of curiosity, but I think there are quite of few folks who will. Seems to me that the negative impact of the casino is being overblown. For that matter, so is the positive! It's really too early to tell how it will all play out. Much depends on how it's integrated into the District and what connections are made with the other activities in the area.
I've never been before so i am asking seriously, how many people do you think are from Ohio?

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I'm not an automatic anti-gub'mint type, but I don't trust them to get this right.
Why so cynical? Govt gets lots of things right; and they do it very economically & efficiently. Why, there's.....um....

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True, and they paid for it by allowing a weak bill in Issue 3 to set precedent. But even with its flaws, passing Issue 3 was necessary to get the ball rolling. It puts the onus on the legislators to amend the constitution so that Ohio gets a bigger slice of the pie, and if nothing else, Ohio is still going to get a couple hundred million more in its coffers that otherwise would not be there.
I'm sure they are going to apply that to the aforementioned red ink. Giving govt more money is like feeding a baby chilli. You get the same result, its just more voluminous and makes a bigger mess.

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I've never been before so i am asking seriously, how many people do you think are from Ohio?
Somewhere around 75% is what I heard at Wheeling. Dont know how much fact that is but the owners of that casino financed 100% the opposition to issue 3, so whats that tell you? Ohio is their cash cow, they dont want competition! Oh and I've been there several times myself as well as casinos in Indiana and Michigan.

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I'm no casino professional (I've probably been in a dozen in various locales around he world), but they all have a couple things in common...

... poorly marked exits - if you leave, they stop making money on you. Penn National is not convening meetings right now to see how they can get people to leave their new planned facility in Columbus and get them over to a Jackets game. Don't expect a massive increase of foot-traffic because of this thing, if that happens, the casino is failing. Doesn't mean that the casino hurts the Jackets necessarily, but it also ought not help them much.

... the house always wins - no one is going to be walking around the AD with more money in their pockets because of this casino except Penn National, and something tells me that they're not going to be turning that profit into season tickets to BJ games. Again, probably doesn't keep people away from games at the Nat, but don't expect it to stir new customers with expendable cash.

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Robert, I love ya man but "Buzzing every day", . . . . .seriously?? Come on. I have lived here in Columbus for almost 30 years, (im 27 now). Born AND Raised here. And I would go as far to say I love this city more than anyone. I cherish living here and want nothing but the best.

1) Buzzing. hahaha. No way man. I cant wait to check out downtown Columbus on a mid-week day in late August to see the "buzz" going on. Youre dreaming here and I wish this was true but its not gonna happen.

2) Cash coming in. Nope. Its going to be only locals at this casino!!!! Why cant people understand that. No one is going to come here from far away, specifically for the Junk Hollywood casino.

3) Jobs. Uhhhh, yeah about those. 75% of the jobs "created" are just temporary construction jobs. The others are mostly low-paying, high school or less educated jobs that are not glamorous by any means.
If the Casino is built I personally guarentee there will be 200 more cars parked in the Arena district on any given day compared to when no events would have been scheduled (probably 300).

Conservative Columbus locals have to break out of the old ways... a downtown Casino will not only employ 100's whom have no jobs but it will bring in revenue to the city and local economy. Your a hockey fan right? Do you know that this very same city and county population voted down a hockey Arena? The local population could have cared less about hockey in 1997 and thought it was scam ... now look what they have.

Give experimentation a chance-what harm can a Casino do other than frustrate the people who embrace the status quo.

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I pulled 100 million out of my butt, but its 1/3rd of WV's numbers.
He's got money coming out the wazoo!!!

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If the Casino is built I personally guarentee there will be 200 more cars parked in the Arena district on any given day compared to when no events would have been scheduled (probably 300).

Conservative Columbus locals have to break out of the old ways... a downtown Casino will not only employ 100's whom have no jobs but it will bring in revenue to the city and local economy. Your a hockey fan right? Do you know that this very same city and county population voted down a hockey Arena? The local population could have cared less about hockey in 1997 and thought it was scam ... now look what they have.

Give experimentation a chance-what harm can a Casino do other than frustrate the people who embrace the status quo.

I do remember this city rejecting the arena in 97. And I would agree, here we are now and what we have is beautiful. However, the local population sees this and will still reject a tax unfortunately.

Im just a little skeptical with this casino. The house ALWAYS wins, which leads me to believe it might not be that great for many reasons. We have this casino issue now to tackle along with the arena lease issue. Columbus can handle and address both in a successful manner. If it doesnt, we will become Cowlumbus again and I am outta here. I want to live in Columbus, not Cowlumbus. I believe in this city and I truly love it, I just get frustrated with others around the city not wanting to evolve.

2 billion dollars is helluva lot of money to be brought into this city, courtesy of CBJ, and I would hate to see the casino or arena affect that.

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I do remember this city rejecting the arena in 97. And I would agree, here we are now and what we have is beautiful. However, the local population sees this and will still reject a tax unfortunately.

Im just a little skeptical with this casino. The house ALWAYS wins, which leads me to believe it might not be that great for many reasons. We have this casino issue now to tackle along with the arena lease issue. Columbus can handle and address both in a successful manner. If it doesnt, we will become Cowlumbus again and I am outta here. I want to live in Columbus, not Cowlumbus. I believe in this city and I truly love it, I just get frustrated with others around the city not wanting to evolve.

2 billion dollars is helluva lot of money to be brought into this city, courtesy of CBJ, and I would hate to see the casino or arena affect that.
The Casino will have to pay taxes of some sort to either the city or County, perhaps some of that money can be used to help solve the Arena issue? One way or another I don't believe the Jackets will be hurt by a casino, nor do I think the city will ever sit idly by and let the Jackets leave Columbus.


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