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11-05-2009, 02:35 PM
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Ryan Callahan: NHL Tough Guy of the Week

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=504833

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Someone needs to let NHL.com know he's really overrated.

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11-05-2009, 03:12 PM
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Nice write up. Guy is a hardworker and a person Ill take on my team any day.

With that said, he IS overrated by a large portion of the NYR fanbase. Fact is, he has borderline NHL talent that he more than makes up for with his tenacity. I think people are in love with his effort, which is nice, but when you look at results, I think he'll be hardpressed to ever be a consistent 20-25 goal scorer.

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Nice write up. Guy is a hardworker and a person Ill take on my team any day.

With that said, he IS overrated by a large portion of the NYR fanbase. Fact is, he has borderline NHL talent that he more than makes up for with his tenacity. I think people are in love with his effort, which is nice, but when you look at results, I think he'll be hardpressed to ever be a consistent 20-25 goal scorer.
I'd say he's better than a borderline talent. The reason he scores so many goals is because of his hard work.

I'd be willing to bet he led the team in unassisted goals last year.

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11-05-2009, 03:26 PM
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I'd say he's better than a borderline talent. The reason he scores so many goals is because of his hard work.

I'd be willing to bet he led the team in unassisted goals last year.
Actually he had 0 unassisted goals last year. But I agree, he is a very hard worker and causes plenty of turn overs.

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Nice write up. Guy is a hardworker and a person Ill take on my team any day.

With that said, he IS overrated by a large portion of the NYR fanbase. Fact is, he has borderline NHL talent that he more than makes up for with his tenacity. I think people are in love with his effort, which is nice, but when you look at results, I think he'll be hardpressed to ever be a consistent 20-25 goal scorer.
He gets chances good one almost every game but i agree he will prob not be consistent 20-25 goal scorer....more like 15-20 consistenly...im sure thru his career he will get to 25+ once or twice

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Someone needs to let NHL.com know he's really overrated.
Perfect 2nd post. When it comes to work ethic, on and off the ice he is everything you wannt and need in an NHL player. He just doesn't have the raw talent to be elite. It sucks. If he had Zherdev's talent he would be a top 10 player in the league.

Vise versa, if Zherdev had Cally's talent... Well, lets just say he would call the AHL his home.

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Actually he had 0 unassisted goals last year. But I agree, he is a very hard worker and causes plenty of turn overs.
That can't be right. Didn't he score during our string of like 4 unassisted goals in a row?

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Here are the gamelogs from last year. Click any game he has a goal in, and you will see they are all assisted.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/player...3331&year=2009

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That can't be right. Didn't he score during our string of like 4 unassisted goals in a row?
It's true, 0 unassisted goals. Although his supposed 16th goal doesn't seem to exist. Every site says he scored his 16th goal against Nashville on March 12, 2009, but then they say that Gomez got the goal if you go on the box score.

Anyway, here are all of his other goals from last season:

Ryan Callahan (1) (Empty net)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky

Ryan Callahan (2)
Assists: Scott Gomez

Ryan Callahan (3)
Assists: Paul Mara, Scott Gomez

Ryan Callahan (4)
Assists: Daniel Girardi, Nigel Dawes

Ryan Callahan (5) (Power Play)
Assists: Nikolai Zherdev, Michal Rozsival

Ryan Callahan (6) (Power Play)
Assists: Markus Naslund, Chris Drury

Ryan Callahan (7) (Shorthanded)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky, Wade Redden

Ryan Callahan (8)
Assists: Nikolai Zherdev, Chris Drury

Ryan Callahan (9)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky

Ryan Callahan (10)
Assists: Chris Drury, Nigel Dawes

Ryan Callahan (11)
Assists: Nigel Dawes, Chris Drury

Ryan Callahan (12)
Assists: Scott Gomez, Dmitri Kalinin

Ryan Callahan (13)
Assists: Lauri Korpikoski

Ryan Callahan (14)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky, Chris Drury

Ryan Callahan (15)
Assists: Sean Avery, Lauri Korpikoski



Ryan Callahan (17)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky

Ryan Callahan (18)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky

Ryan Callahan (19) (Empty net)
Assists: Fredrik Sjostrom, Daniel Girardi

Ryan Callahan (20)
Assists: Sean Avery, Scott Gomez

Ryan Callahan (21)
Assists: Scott Gomez, Sean Avery

Ryan Callahan (22)
Assists: Derek Morris, Chris Drury

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It's true, 0 unassisted goals. Although his supposed 16th goal doesn't seem to exist. Every site says he scored his 16th goal against Nashville on March 12, 2009, but then they say that Gomez got the goal if you go on the box score.

Anyway, here are all of his other goals from last season:

Ryan Callahan (1) (Empty net)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky

Ryan Callahan (2)
Assists: Scott Gomez

Ryan Callahan (3)
Assists: Paul Mara, Scott Gomez

Ryan Callahan (4)
Assists: Daniel Girardi, Nigel Dawes

Ryan Callahan (5) (Power Play)
Assists: Nikolai Zherdev, Michal Rozsival

Ryan Callahan (6) (Power Play)
Assists: Markus Naslund, Chris Drury

Ryan Callahan (7) (Shorthanded)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky, Wade Redden

Ryan Callahan (8)
Assists: Nikolai Zherdev, Chris Drury

Ryan Callahan (9)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky

Ryan Callahan (10)
Assists: Chris Drury, Nigel Dawes

Ryan Callahan (11)
Assists: Nigel Dawes, Chris Drury

Ryan Callahan (12)
Assists: Scott Gomez, Dmitri Kalinin

Ryan Callahan (13)
Assists: Lauri Korpikoski

Ryan Callahan (14)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky, Chris Drury

Ryan Callahan (15)
Assists: Sean Avery, Lauri Korpikoski



Ryan Callahan (17)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky

Ryan Callahan (18)
Assists: Brandon Dubinsky

Ryan Callahan (19) (Empty net)
Assists: Fredrik Sjostrom, Daniel Girardi

Ryan Callahan (20)
Assists: Sean Avery, Scott Gomez

Ryan Callahan (21)
Assists: Scott Gomez, Sean Avery

Ryan Callahan (22)
Assists: Derek Morris, Chris Drury
Haha, oh well. He still makes more for himself through causing turnovers than the majority of the team.

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11-06-2009, 09:47 AM
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He is there playing hard every game. Goals will come. He along with 3/4 of the team are in a slump. Last night he got awarded with a nice redirection goal.

I was shocked that he had 0 unassisted goals..figured he would have a few at least.

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To say he's borderline NHL talent is ridiculous....

The guy was one of the primary penalty killers on the #1 ranked penalty kill in the league last season.... Was labeled as one of the top 10 back-checkers in the league in a write up last season.... He's got one of the stronger forechecks of any forward in the league and is one of the most frequent hitters in the league.... Just because he's not a regular goal scorer nor the best playmaker doesn't make him borderline NHL talent....

Hockey is about role players and Ryan Callahan would have an important role to play on any team he was a member of.... And that's why he's getting serious Team USA consideration....

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Nice write up. Guy is a hardworker and a person Ill take on my team any day.

With that said, he IS overrated by a large portion of the NYR fanbase. Fact is, he has borderline NHL talent that he more than makes up for with his tenacity. I think people are in love with his effort, which is nice, but when you look at results, I think he'll be hardpressed to ever be a consistent 20-25 goal scorer.
You have a Zherdev jersey-don't you?

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Perfect 2nd post. When it comes to work ethic, on and off the ice he is everything you wannt and need in an NHL player. He just doesn't have the raw talent to be elite. It sucks. If he had Zherdev's talent he would be a top 10 player in the league.

Vise versa, if Zherdev had Cally's talent... Well, lets just say he would call the AHL his home.
It's a bit of a cliche, but you do win cups with guys like him on the roster.

You can't teach grit, intensity, or determination. You can't teach leadership. The feature on NHL.com hit the nail on the head in terms of capturing the type of player he is. If he had Zherdev's hands, he'd probably be the next Marty St. Louis, but he'll always be an effective NHLer despite the fact that he's not a puck-wizard.

People freaked out because he went into a slump and wasn't finishing his chances. I'm confident that Callahan will top 20 goals again this year, as well as many years after that.

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To say he's borderline NHL talent is ridiculous....

The guy was one of the primary penalty killers on the #1 ranked penalty kill in the league last season.... Was labeled as one of the top 10 back-checkers in the league in a write up last season.... He's got one of the stronger forechecks of any forward in the league and is one of the most frequent hitters in the league.... Just because he's not a regular goal scorer nor the best playmaker doesn't make him borderline NHL talent....

Hockey is about role players and Ryan Callahan would have an important role to play on any team he was a member of.... And that's why he's getting serious Team USA consideration....
Everything you listed is due by and large to Callahan's effort. When it comes to his natural talents, hes just what I said, borderline NHL. He doesnt do anything particularly well that doesnt involve working hard (PKing, backchecking, etc). Thats not a knock, either, its just the truth.

Callahan is a tencious worker with minimal talent. Zherdev had all the talent in the world with a ****** work ethic. We've seen both sides of the equation. And for the guy that asked if I had a Zherdev jersey, the answer is NO. I was one of the biggest critics of Zherdev last season. When comparing the two, Ill take the guy that busts his ass and make him a role player, than try to miscast Zherdev as a main offensive weapon. Simply put, Callahan's work ethic makes him able to do so much more on the ice, and as others have noted, guys like him are a vital part to any team.

With that said, I cant even count the amount of posters that penciled him in for 30+ goals this season. I just dont see it, now or ever. Hes the perfect third liner.

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I don't understand though... If he's the perfect 3rd liner, how does that make him borderline NHL talent?

Jed Ortmeyer had a TON of effort, but he's not nearly as effective of a player that Callahan is.... So effort alone doesn't account for Callahan's contributions....

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so cally is borderline NHL talent?
what does that make our captain?
putting the contracts asid, i'd still bet 9 out of 10 would take cally over captain intagibles any day of the week and twice on sunday. saying cally has borderline talent is just rediculous. The fact of the matter is, if you've got borderline NHL talent you're probobly not playing in the NHL right now let alone playing significant minutes in a high profile market. He will put up his 20 goals this year, im certainly more confident in that than I am Drury putting up 20 and that is based purely on his ability to creat havoc on his own. To insinuate cally is barely NHL level talent is just a moronic comment, ask any GM in the league im sure they'll agree.

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Callahan is a borderline NHL talent.

Callahan has borderline NHL talent.




Theres a difference in those two statements.

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Callahan is a borderline NHL talent.

Callahan has borderline NHL talent.




Theres a difference in those two statements.
Thanks Blue. Im talking God-given hockey talent. When you look at Callahan's tool's in that department, all of them are pretty much borderline.

When you incorporate his incredible work ethic and tenacity, that makes him not only an NHL player, but a good one.

If he continues to work his ass off every year, scoring 20-25 goals, 40-45 points, that'd be great. My 'overrated' label comes from the people who think he can develop into something more. I just dont see it. To me, hes already gotten every inch out of what God has given him.

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Callahan is a borderline NHL talent.

Callahan has borderline NHL talent.




Theres a difference in those two statements.
Please, explain. I really dont get it, because... mi inglish iz nat zo gud...

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Thanks Blue. Im talking God-given hockey talent. When you look at Callahan's tool's in that department, all of them are pretty much borderline.

When you incorporate his incredible work ethic and tenacity, that makes him not only an NHL player, but a good one.

If he continues to work his ass off every year, scoring 20-25 goals, 40-45 points, that'd be great. My 'overrated' label comes from the people who think he can develop into something more. I just dont see it. To me, hes already gotten every inch out of what God has given him.
What tools are borderline? His speed, hockey IQ, defensive abilities, and leadership skills are all well above average. His shot isn't going to be confused with Ovechkin's, but it's certainly doesn't fall into the category of "borderline NHL" a la Aaron Voros.

Beyond that, what tools are there? The fact that he's not a great passer and doesn't pull the puck between his legs to deke defenders?

I think the majority of people feel like he's a solid 2nd line winger that can play in any situation. I don't see anything in his game that speaks to the contrary.

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borderline NHL talent? Didn't he score 20 goals last year? I'd say that is more than borderline. Borderline lumps him in with Voros and Rissmiller.

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Callahan understands the game really well. He sees the ice well (at least when he doesn't have the puck). He may not have the softest hands ever, but that doesn't make him a borderline NHLer. The reason that Callahan is so effective is because he can use his effort in a better way than many of the league's 4th liners. Personally, I can't remember the last time Callahan made an outright bad decision (though I'm sure it has happened).

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