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11-11-2009, 08:44 PM
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So, in keeping with the spirit of this thread, you're suggesting that Lowe has had more positive moments than negative?

I am curious to see the evidence as you interpret it.
This is a pointless arguemnt.

If I got god to phone you and he told you it was the case you still wouldnt be convinced.

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11-11-2009, 08:48 PM
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This is a pointless arguemnt.

If I got god to phone you and he told you it was the case you still wouldnt be convinced.
Maybe a convincing argument would be better? But that might take work. And a good imagination.

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What exactly are you rambling on about here?

Maybe if you bothered to spend a couple of minutes to read more than half a post in this thread your response might be a little more relevant.
Anyone who doesn't jump into your negativity vortex isn't relevant...I see. I read plenty "I knew it and I told you so" posts to get the point. The whole topic was skewed form the get go so why bother. Troll on!

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This is a pointless arguemnt.

If I got god to phone you and he told you it was the case you still wouldnt be convinced.
I got the Smyth trade for peanuts, the Pisani, Moreau, Staios, Nilsson, Horcoff, Khabibulin contracts, letting Hejda and Glencross walk for nothing and missing the playoffs for likely 4 years in a row with a cap team.

What you got?

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I got the Smyth trade for peanuts, the Pisani, Moreau, Staios, Nilsson, Horcoff, Khabibulin contracts, letting Hejda and Glencross walk for nothing and missing the playoffs for likely 4 years in a row with a cap team.

What you got?
You forgot hiring a head coach with no experience and keeping his incompetent bumbling butt and losing record while refusing to fire him.

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You forgot hiring a head coach with no experience and keeping his incompetent bumbling butt and losing record while refusing to fire him.
I got a lot more but I'm still waiting for God to speak,

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11-11-2009, 09:00 PM
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You forgot hiring a head coach with no experience and keeping his incompetent bumbling butt and losing record while refusing to fire him.
we're seeing this year that no matter who's behind the bench...this team isn't a playoff team

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11-11-2009, 09:03 PM
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I got the Smyth trade for peanuts, the Pisani, Moreau, Staios, Nilsson, Horcoff, Khabibulin contracts, letting Hejda and Glencross walk for nothing and missing the playoffs for likely 4 years in a row with a cap team.

What you got?
You knew it, did you. You knew Pisani would struggle up until now after potting 14 in the playoffs. Smyth's contract demands were outrageous. Khabibulin got FA money. Hejda was a bottom pairing dman and wasn't that significant here, similar to Dick T. as well...hows he doing? Glen X choose Calgary. Staios isn't that horrible and isn't over paid. Moreau and Horcoff were bad deals but who knew Horc would struggle so poorly after the previous 2 seasons prior to the contract, and that Moreau is made of glass. It's easy to second guess everything once the results are in. This is in my humble opinion of course. PS...I really missed your negative spin on everything early in the year, makes you wonder.

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we're seeing this year that no matter who's behind the bench...this team isn't a playoff team
Oh I see. Mactavish gets eight years of bumfoolery and is still defended on here but Quinn doesnt even get twenty games and a full team? Right. You make quite a case. You are the Lionel Hutz of Hf Oil.


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11-11-2009, 09:29 PM
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You knew it, did you. You knew Pisani would struggle up until now after potting 14 in the playoffs. Smyth's contract demands were outrageous. Khabibulin got FA money. Hejda was a bottom pairing dman and wasn't that significant here, similar to Dick T. as well...hows he doing? Glen X choose Calgary. Staios isn't that horrible and isn't over paid. Moreau and Horcoff were bad deals but who knew Horc would struggle so poorly after the previous 2 seasons prior to the contract, and that Moreau is made of glass. It's easy to second guess everything once the results are in. This is in my humble opinion of course. PS...I really missed your negative spin on everything early in the year, makes you wonder.
Phhhttt.

Pisani was paid like he would be a goal scorer.

Smyth was asking for $5.5M. Penner cost $4.25 plus three draft choices.

Biron and Roloson got FA money while Lowebellini got stupid again.

Staios is bottom pairing defenseman on a good day and they don't make anywhere near that much.

Hejda was always good. Neither Lowe or the coach he supported could see. Howson did.

Glencross chose Calgary because Lowe told him to wait while he went whale hunting AGAIN.

Some of us knew Horc's true colours long before that contract was inked.

Moreau has never been worth more than $1M. Never.

Just couldn't make your argument without a personal attack could you?

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11-11-2009, 09:32 PM
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Anyone who doesn't jump into your negativity vortex isn't relevant...I see. I read plenty "I knew it and I told you so" posts to get the point. The whole topic was skewed form the get go so why bother. Troll on!
My oh my...I guess we could all learn some sensitivity from the Tedi bear.


Seriously buddy...after your done untying the knots in your panties maybe you can enlighten us all about the positives without the personal attacks.
After all...that was the point of this thread.

Or maybe 3 years of sub mediocrity is good enough for you?

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11-11-2009, 09:35 PM
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we're seeing this year that no matter who's behind the bench...this team isn't a playoff team
No it isn't and it will take some work to make it a playoff team.

A new coaching staff isn't enough but thankfully there are some bright spots.

Penner is shining the brightest so far.

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11-11-2009, 09:54 PM
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Phhhttt.

Pisani was paid like he would be a goal scorer.

Smyth was asking for $5.5M. Penner cost $4.25 plus three draft choices.

Biron and Roloson got FA money while Lowebellini got stupid again.

Staios is bottom pairing defenseman on a good day and they don't make anywhere near that much.

Hejda was always good. Neither Lowe or the coach he supported could see. Howson did.

Glencross chose Calgary because Lowe told him to wait while he went whale hunting AGAIN.

Some of us knew Horc's true colours long before that contract was inked.

Moreau has never been worth more than $1M. Never.

Just couldn't make your argument without a personal attack could you?
Spare me your hurt feelings, I know you are crustier than that. We agree to disagree I guess but I dislike this entire OP's nature. Makes me wonder how it belongs on a fan based forum...because we all are Oiler fans right? I think you quit becoming a fan (or it is lessened to a degree) when you care more about the result and less about the content. If it is all about cap space and contracts I wouldn't be that interested. Name one GM that hasn't made a mistake or two. It is hard to be overly critical of a man as passionate as Lowe is about the Oilers.

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Kevin Lowe positives?

Trading for Roloson and his subsequent contract.

Signing Souray.

Trading Salo for Gilbert.

The first Pronger deal.

Peca for York.

Hedja for a 7th.

Glencross for Tarnstrom.

Spacek and Samsanov deals in 06.

Grebeshkov for MAB.

Visnovsky for Stoll and Greene.

The Hemsky contract.


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My oh my...I guess we could all learn some sensitivity from the Tedi bear.


Seriously buddy...after your done untying the knots in your panties maybe you can enlighten us all about the positives without the personal attacks.
After all...that was the point of this thread.

Or maybe 3 years of sub mediocrity is good enough for you?
You are proving my point with your mockery. Who are you trying to impress exactly? "Enlighten us", who is us, does everyone agree with your negative spin? I explained what I did not agree with in your OP.

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Kevin Lowe positives?

Trading for Roloson.

Signing Souray.

Trading Salo for Gilbert.

The first Pronger deal.

Peca for York.

Hedja for a 7th.

Glencross for Tarnstrom.

Spacek and Samsanov deals in 06.

Grebeshkov for MAB.

Visnovsky for Stoll and Greene.

The Hemsky contract.
This doesn't jive with the agenda, prepare to be beaten down.

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This doesn't jive with the agenda, prepare to be beaten down.
Oh, I have no illusions as how that will be received, but these events transpired regardless.

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You are proving my point with your mockery. Who are you trying to impress exactly? "Enlighten us", who is us, does everyone agree with your negative spin? I explained what I did not agree with in your OP.
How myopic of you.

Well...it has also clearly been established that you have nothing to contribute.

Feel free apply this in a different thread.

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Kevin Lowe positives?

Trading for Roloson and his subsequent contract.

Signing Souray.

Trading Salo for Gilbert.

The first Pronger deal.

Peca for York.

Hedja for a 7th.

Glencross for Tarnstrom.

Spacek and Samsanov deals in 06.

Grebeshkov for MAB.

Visnovsky for Stoll and Greene.

The Hemsky contract.
Trading for Roloson...good deal...letting him go?

Souray is beginning to look like a bad investment. 16 games missed this year, 56 two years ago. He's played 110 games out of a possible 183 since he was signed.

The first Pronger deal is easliy countered by the second.

Peca for York. Okay. Where's Peca?

Getting Hejda and losing him for nothing is just dumb.

Spacek and Samsonov filled specific short term needs and it worked.

Grebs for MAB is a win.

Visnovsky is a nice player but the Oilers didn't replace the roles played Green and Stoll. A sawoff at best.

Hemsky's contract is a win.

A very spotty record indeed.

And the bottom line is this is a team that Lowe built with a cap budget and it's mediocre.

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11-11-2009, 10:19 PM
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Oh, I have no illusions as how that will be received, but these events transpired regardless.
Most of those moves are old news. Not to mention we lost most of what was acquired for nothing to free agency while we were chasing blue moons and yellow stars. Lowe has made some good moves, no doubt, but the situation we find ourselves in today is due to Lowe and Pronger.

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This doesn't jive with the agenda, prepare to be beaten down.
Anyone who doesn't agree with you has an "agenda" but you don't?

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Phhhttt.

Pisani was paid like he would be a goal scorer.

Smyth was asking for $5.5M. Penner cost $4.25 plus three draft choices.

Biron and Roloson got FA money while Lowebellini got stupid again.

Staios is bottom pairing defenseman on a good day and they don't make anywhere near that much.

Hejda was always good. Neither Lowe or the coach he supported could see. Howson did.

Glencross chose Calgary because Lowe told him to wait while he went whale hunting AGAIN.

Some of us knew Horc's true colours long before that contract was inked.

Moreau has never been worth more than $1M. Never.

Just couldn't make your argument without a personal attack could you?
We all know what transpired in the Smyth deal so why rehash it again. And I would wait a few more games before deeming Smytty's season a sucess (age...injury?). I would pay Staios's salary over and over again simply for the veteran presense and overall pretty solid play (nothing flashy). Hejda was very similar to Tarnstrom, both got hurt and both got sent packing. Hejda has played decent for CBJ, remind me how did Dick do for CBJ? Glencross easily deserved the contract he got (no argument here) but was he really in a position to demand anything from a franchise that would have resigned him. Horcoff was showing some scoring potential prior to the contract so I can see where it came from but I still thought it was too much for him. Moreau's was an extension prior to 3 injury plaugued campaigns and he also provided much needed veteran presense. Has it all worked out...No. But it isn't all bad either.

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How myopic of you.

Well...it has also clearly been established that you have nothing to contribute.

Feel free apply this in a different thread.
How very hypocritical of you...troll on!

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We all know what transpired in the Smyth deal so why rehash it again. And I would wait a few more games before deeming Smytty's season a sucess (age...injury?). I would pay Staios's salary over and over again simply for the veteran presense and overall pretty solid play (nothing flashy). Hejda was very similar to Tarnstrom, both got hurt and both got sent packing. Hejda has played decent for CBJ, remind me how did Dick do for CBJ? Glencross easily deserved the contract he got (no argument here) but was he really in a position to demand anything from a franchise that would have resigned him. Horcoff was showing some scoring potential prior to the contract so I can see where it came from but I still thought it was too much for him. Moreau's was an extension prior to 3 injury plaugued campaigns and he also provided much needed veteran presense. Has it all worked out...No. But it isn't all bad either.
The team is mediocre and spending to the cap. What else do you need to know?

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We all know what transpired in the Smyth deal so why rehash it again. And I would wait a few more games before deeming Smytty's season a sucess (age...injury?). I would pay Staios's salary over and over again simply for the veteran presense and overall pretty solid play (nothing flashy). Hejda was very similar to Tarnstrom, both got hurt and both got sent packing. Hejda has played decent for CBJ, remind me how did Dick do for CBJ? Glencross easily deserved the contract he got (no argument here) but was he really in a position to demand anything from a franchise that would have resigned him. Horcoff was showing some scoring potential prior to the contract so I can see where it came from but I still thought it was too much for him. Moreau's was an extension prior to 3 injury plaugued campaigns and he also provided much needed veteran presense. Has it all worked out...No. But it isn't all bad either.

This isnt true. He was told that his money was being used for Hossa.

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