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04-12-2004, 04:40 PM
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Possible Trades For First Round Picks???

With JFJ's first draft as the leafs gm, anybody think he might move prospects/roster players for a first rounder?? If so who might he trade??

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I don't think we'll see him move any prospects... roster players, maybe.

I'd say that Nik Antropov's gone soon.

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Kaberle would be tops on my list, to be honest. He could easily land a top three pick. Judging by what picks Yashin (Spezza, not to mention Chara) and Fedetenko (Pitkenen) landed, Kaberle could very easily land us a top pick. As well, they could try to trade him for a young player in the league. I'd focus on one of Florida's young guys, personally.

The Leafs have no franchise player to replace Sundin when he finishes his career. This would be a huge step in doing so.

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Yup, I'd definately move Kaberle.

We have a couple guys that can replace him in the future, Pierre Hedin and Carlo Colaiacovo being the two main ones. I personally think Hedin has the potential to be a 30-40 point player, but with better defensive play... he's not soft.

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I'd trade Antropov first, Kaberle reluctantly, but if it could land us a top-5 pick, I'd go for it...I want to see this team build itself up, a la NJ, ATL, NAS etc. I'll willingly withstand a few losing seasons to see a young, thriving club that dominates for a good 10 year period or so

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It's not a deep draft so why bother trading something that is a factor for something that might not be?

If it was a deep draft I would understand going for a first but as it sits right now we're just as good off with some mid rounders if we can get them because the chances of finding something are about the same.

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It's not a deep draft so why bother trading something that is a factor for something that might not be?

If it was a deep draft I would understand going for a first but as it sits right now we're just as good off with some mid rounders if we can get them because the chances of finding something are about the same.
If it's not a deep draft, then it makes sense to trade up and get a first rounder.

If it's a deep draft, then mid-round picks will be fine, much like last year.

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If it's not a deep draft, then it makes sense to trade up and get a first rounder.

If it's a deep draft, then mid-round picks will be fine, much like last year.
Disagree.

The only sure things in this years draft could be the top 3 maybe top 5, after that everythings a craps shoot. What you're effectively doing is trading away sure things for things that have a signifigant chance of being nothings because you're not getting a top 5 pick.

A first round pick is going to cost you a lot more then a 2nd or 3rd simply because it's a 1st rounder despite there being no sure things or even really if things in those spots compared to what will be left in the mid rounds.

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Kaberle would be tops on my list, to be honest. He could easily land a top three pick. Judging by what picks Yashin (Spezza, not to mention Chara) and Fedetenko (Pitkenen) landed, Kaberle could very easily land us a top pick. As well, they could try to trade him for a young player in the league. I'd focus on one of Florida's young guys, personally.

The Leafs have no franchise player to replace Sundin when he finishes his career. This would be a huge step in doing so.
Feaster's worst move.Clarke fleeced the rookie GM

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yep, flyers lucked out there. I really don't think Kaberle would convince pitt or wash to give up their pick since they're rebuilding anyway.

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A Tomas Kaberle could easily land a top 10 pick... most likely a top 5.

And I'd take a top 5 pick over Kaberle, especially since we've got very little big time prospects up front (Steen) and a bunch of very safe prospects on defense (Colaiacovo, Hedin, Harrison, and to a lesser extent Bell).

If we can move him for a top 5 pick and grab Rostislav Olesz, that would be a great move.

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I'd cream my pants if we got Olesz, Schremp (attitude be damned) or Wolski. Or any of the others in the top 10 . To be honest, I could see Kaberle going to PHO...he could make an impact there, and they're kind of middle-ground..have some of the tools to contend, but not quite there, they're not like PIT or WSH or someone.

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yep, flyers lucked out there. I really don't think Kaberle would convince pitt or wash to give up their pick since they're rebuilding anyway.
We're not talking #1 or 2, those are untouchable picks... more like #4 and lower.

I also doubt Chicago moves #3.

Columbus is at 4 and Phoenix at 5, either pick will probably be available.

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A Tomas Kaberle could easily land a top 10 pick... most likely a top 5.

And I'd take a top 5 pick over Kaberle, especially since we've got very little big time prospects up front (Steen) and a bunch of very safe prospects on defense (Colaiacovo, Hedin, Harrison, and to a lesser extent Bell).

If we can move him for a top 5 pick and grab Rostislav Olesz, that would be a great move.
To be fair, you overrate our prospects.

With the exception of Colaiacovo can you seriously tell me we've got sure things on defence? Hedin's far from being a sure thing and I would be outright surprised if he landed a full time job in the NHL. Harrison is as tough as the come but that doesn't qualify him as a sure thing, Bell's someone you would've thought you could depend on to make it but he's started off slow, like his OHL career if memory serves me correctly but he's no longer a sure thing to make it.

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We're not talking #1 or 2, those are untouchable picks... more like #4 and lower.

I also doubt Chicago moves #3.

Columbus is at 4 and Phoenix at 5, either pick will probably be available.
Have you seen Phoenix lately? If they trade away their pick someone needs to lose there job. Columbus is a possible but unlikely. They've got Klesla who is someone who could be great and 3 of there current top 10 prospects according to HF are defencemen. They're also small market and Kaberle's someone who could collect some serious coin despite his short comings on defence because of his usual offensive satistics.

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To be fair, you overrate our prospects.

With the exception of Colaiacovo can you seriously tell me we've got sure things on defence? Hedin's far from being a sure thing and I would be outright surprised if he landed a full time job in the NHL. Harrison is as tough as the come but that doesn't qualify him as a sure thing, Bell's someone you would've thought you could depend on to make it but he's started off slow, like his OHL career if memory serves me correctly but he's no longer a sure thing to make it.
Aside from Colaiacovo and Steen, none of our prospects are sure things... but I think it's safe to say that Hedin and Harrison are safe prospects, they haven't shown anything but improvement since making the transition to the AHL.

Hedin's played well and was a standout over his 3 games in Toronto. Harrison's a defenseman that will take longer to develop and he's got all the tools to be an NHL defenseman.

Bell has been pretty average in St. John's, but Shedden said he would take a couple years to actually develop into an NHL calibre player... this at the start of the season.

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Have you seen Phoenix lately? If they trade away their pick someone needs to lose there job. Columbus is a possible but unlikely. They've got Klesla who is someone who could be great and 3 of there current top 10 prospects according to HF are defencemen. They're also small market and Kaberle's someone who could collect some serious coin despite his short comings on defence because of his usual offensive satistics.
I have, and Tomas Kaberle is a valuable asset on the market. He's 26 years old and has been a 40 point defenseman over the last 4 or 5 years, he has yet to hit his peak.

I'm sure Phoenix would move a #5 pick for a player who would be their #1 or 2 defenseman... they've got a couple very good defensemen in the system (Matthew Spiller and Keith Ballard), other then that, there isn't much.-

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I think whether JFJ trades up for a 1st rounder will depend on whether or not the leafs win the Stanley Cup this year...........if they do JFJ will have people singing his praises and he can do what he wants and most likely half the team will retire in a couple years so he will start rebuilding. If they don't JFJ will probably keep trading away leafs prospects for people at the deadline until the leafs do. Therefore if the leafs don't win the stanley cup it is almost a waste of time dealing for a 1st because JFJ will just trade him away.

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I would try trading Kaberle to Washington for a package of Eminger and Fehr, though TO would probably have to add a prospect to that. I think that this would be a good package to receive because Washington is short on NHL defencemen and Kaberle would probably be a really good d-partner for Witt, because Witt is strictly a stay at home guy. This package gives us another pretty good d-prospect, and he could probably step in next year, and a pretty good forward prospect.

JFJ could probably get EDM's second first rounder for Antropov, and with that pick we could land someone like David Booth, who I really like from what I have heard, or someone like Johannes Salmonsson, etc.

These two players could definately be on the way out in my opinion, and I also think that JFJ would like to put his stamp on this team, but I guess everything is speculation until something actually happens.

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With JFJ's first draft as the leafs gm, anybody think he might move prospects/roster players for a first rounder?? If so who might he trade??
Irish_Leaf..........

I'm in agreement with most everybody here on this one..........Kaberle should make way for Colaiacovo and Antropov get's hurt too much and takes too many dumba$$ penalties.....we should trade Antropov now while he's still healthy and while we can still get something of value in return for him.

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