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12-09-2009, 04:38 PM
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yea, there is no way the caps put nylander on reentry waivers. if nylander accepted assignment to the ahl, he would stay there. therefore nylander accepts being put on waivers, but will not allow any assignment.

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12-09-2009, 04:40 PM
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You just don't seem to get it.

Why on earth would the Caps do it? Just to get cap relief for Alzner? They are in first place as it is. Gaining that cap space isn't something that is needed right now and come playoff time it won't matter anymore as the salary cap is gone.

They will need that money next season for the Semin and Backstrom contracts....wasting $2.4375M for a buyout to a player when they can just dump him to the AHL next season (his NMC ends after this season) is not feasible.

Nylander would actually want the Caps to put him on re-entry since there could be that small chance someone takes him and they are on the hook for the other $2.4375M....but there is no way in blue hell they do it.
I get it. It all makes sense. And I understand the point completely. I just wonder if the Caps aren't wasting a glorious opportunity this season. It should never be assumed that the same opportunities will be there beyond this season. Ask Boston.

Things change uber-rapidly in sports, and in the words of Steve Winwood, "while you see a chance, take it."

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12-09-2009, 05:27 PM
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I get it. It all makes sense. And I understand the point completely. I just wonder if the Caps aren't wasting a glorious opportunity this season. It should never be assumed that the same opportunities will be there beyond this season. Ask Boston.

Things change uber-rapidly in sports, and in the words of Steve Winwood, "while you see a chance, take it."
Yes, but the issue is, why is that an opportunity the Caps would want to take either way? If he's eligible for re-entry it means he's in the AHL. If he's in the AHL it means the Caps have already solved the situation to the extent that they really *need* to. Why take the extra cap hit, especially in the 2nd year, if they have him in a position that suits them? In short, assigning him to an AHL team is preferable to putting him on re-entry waivers. Easily.

The issue, of course, is that he's wouldn't get to an AHL team to start with because he understands the situation.

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12-09-2009, 05:32 PM
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Yes, but the issue is, why is that an opportunity the Caps would want to take either way? If he's eligible for re-entry it means he's in the AHL. If he's in the AHL it means the Caps have already solved the situation to the extent that they really *need* to. Why take the extra cap hit, especially in the 2nd year, if they have him in a position that suits them? In short, assigning him to an AHL team is preferable to putting him on re-entry waivers. Easily.

The issue, of course, is that he's wouldn't get to an AHL team to start with because he understands the situation.
Understood. I guess I was hypothesizing about the notion that they'd agree to place him on re-entry on good faith, but it seems we're already way past that.

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12-09-2009, 05:54 PM
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Yeah, it's way past any kind of assumption at this point, or a good faith agreement, or handshake agreement. If they can get him to the AHL, they're not letting him back up. He's buried as soon as they can bury him. He has no reason to trust them either, from his point of view. As soon as he waives his NMC to go to Hershey (necessary for the re-entry waivers process), he's sunk. His leverage dies. So the only avenues open are to try to find a NHL taker on waivers or in a trade that doesn't hamstring the Caps beyond this year, else convince him to accept a KHL offer.

Barring all that, the Caps are rid of him in the summer and manage this season as best they can do so, which it so happens, has been pretty damned well so far.

As for his reputation around the league, towards any kind of next contract, it's probably irrelevant. This is almost certainly his last contract. It's not like he's going to retire early, either.

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12-09-2009, 10:29 PM
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That's simple. He's already yesterday's news. If he waits for his contract to run out, it's over. He needs to be on the ice playing competitively YESTERDAY. His ego is clouding his judgment. Does he not see how the NHL has become younger and younger with each passing year? Teams value entry-level contracts like gold. Nobody wants a one-dimensional setup man at his contract number, it's as simple as that. He needs to suck it up and get back to work.

How does sitting out completely help his chances of returning to the NHL? He's going to be blackballed if he doesn't start showing greater commitment to the sport of hockey.

Maybe a chat with Chris Chelios, current AHLer, could help smarten Nylander up. You think the Swedish Olympic team is impressed with No. 92 right about now? He's a joke.
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I get it. It all makes sense. And I understand the point completely. I just wonder if the Caps aren't wasting a glorious opportunity this season. It should never be assumed that the same opportunities will be there beyond this season. Ask Boston.

Things change uber-rapidly in sports, and in the words of Steve Winwood, "while you see a chance, take it."
So are you done taking me to task now about this? Just wondering.

Accepting a demotion to the AHL with the "hope" that they recall him, and hoping that then somebody claims him on said re-entry waivers is just dumb. At this point, Washington's salary cap issues are the last thing he's worried about. He's kept his mouth shut and been a pretty good soldier through all of this, while Washington has done everything but change the locks on the Verizon Center to keep him away. He owes them absolutely nothing. And accepting a demotion to the AHL is going to do nothing but stick him in the AHL for two years...ie. It's not going to help get him back to the NHL in any capacity.

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12-10-2009, 10:45 AM
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are these re-entry waivers?

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12-10-2009, 10:52 AM
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are these re-entry waivers?
No...

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12-10-2009, 11:15 AM
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So are you done taking me to task now about this? Just wondering.

Accepting a demotion to the AHL with the "hope" that they recall him, and hoping that then somebody claims him on said re-entry waivers is just dumb. At this point, Washington's salary cap issues are the last thing he's worried about. He's kept his mouth shut and been a pretty good soldier through all of this, while Washington has done everything but change the locks on the Verizon Center to keep him away. He owes them absolutely nothing. And accepting a demotion to the AHL is going to do nothing but stick him in the AHL for two years...ie. It's not going to help get him back to the NHL in any capacity.
Agree to disagree. Nothing kills your career more than not playing. Nothing. And I am not taking you to task at all, I'm taking Nylander to task. Unless you're him, there is no problem here.

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12-10-2009, 11:18 AM
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If this is his last contract, it's not necessarily a poor decision by Nylander. As he's 39 when it expires, there is a pretty good chance that this is indeed his last contract. He signed a deal, and chose a destination, with the idea that the NMC was important to him. Can't fault him for exercising his NMC. What he gets out of his decision right now is residency and stability in Washington, either as a player on the squad or a locked out player under contract.

Of course, those rights expire in October, when he has a decision to make: Go to a NHL city of the Caps' choosing that opts to trade for him, or go to Hershey if the Caps exile him there, or retire.

Yet the idea that he's hurting his career is disingenuous, since his career is probably over anyway when the contract expires.

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12-10-2009, 11:22 AM
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Word from Bob Mckenzie is that he cleared waivers.

TSNBobMcKenzie: Michael Nylander (Washington) clears waivers.

http://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie

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12-10-2009, 11:35 AM
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Word from Bob Mckenzie is that he cleared waivers.

TSNBobMcKenzie: Michael Nylander (Washington) clears waivers.

http://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie
Didn't see it coming.

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12-10-2009, 12:31 PM
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Rumors today of possible interest in Nylander from both Jokerit and Sodertalje in the SM-Liiga and Elitserien, respectively.

In the event of a loan transfer, the player is still paid his full salary by his NHL club, and the club separately negotiates with the receiving European club for some form of pecuniary compensation (it need not wholly equal the player's salary).

The key is that the NHL views the player as having moved off the NHL team's roster and on to the roster of the European club, and the cap hit disappears.

Sources:

http://www.hockeysverige.se/news_sho...tml?id=9052997

http://www.hockeysverige.se/blogger_pettersson.html

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its kinda to bad...ahh oh well

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no, foppa would have to go through waivers.


I personaly feel bad for Nylander and think he should just announce retirement and quit this waiver up and down nonsense.
I know it's kinda off-topic but Foppa would have to clear waivers to come back right now since he's playing for a KHL team correct? It doesn't have anything to do with him being a UFA in the NHL all last season up until this season when he signed in the KHL does it?

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12-10-2009, 01:22 PM
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Forsberg is in the SEL. And yes, he'd have to clear waivers, same as anyone coming over from a European league while the season is in progress.

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Rumors today of possible interest in Nylander from both Jokerit and Sodertalje in the SM-Liiga and Elitserien, respectively.
Is he good friend of Fredrik Bremberg?
As Jokerit just extended his contract to last to end of the season.

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