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11-07-2009, 11:46 PM
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First to go?

Who you got in the pool and in how many days?

I got Corvo on 11/18



would have taken Whitney til he got hurt

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Corvo before Wednesday.

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A.Ward, though that may screw up the tank as even Jay Harrison is better than him.

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11-07-2009, 11:57 PM
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Someone would have to want A. Ward for us to get rid of him.

Our only legit trade bait is Cullen, Whitney, and Corvo.

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11-08-2009, 12:09 AM
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Package deal of LaRose and Corvo by the end of November...

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11-08-2009, 12:15 AM
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We've got 3 days off before our next game, JR has said to be already 'active' in the trade market in comparison to other years. Since he came out public last week we've still been on the losing end of 3 in a row. Lastly, the GM's will be together in Toronto this week.

As for who goes, who knows. We've only got a select few that are likely of any interest and they all carry salaries that would likely be a better fit to move at the deadline, so we'll have to find a team we can negotiate with. JR's got his hands full here and it will likely take some creativity to make a move or two.

Either way, we're now in a much different spot than we were when JR spoke last week. I'm not sure if it motivates JR to do something more or less. We're now without Staal & C. Ward for what could be significant time. We were in a hole early last week when we heard from JR, now we just look plain screwed.

It's a sit back, wait & see approach.

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11-08-2009, 06:00 AM
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LaRose for Teddy Purcell straight up after wednesday.

I think we let the offers come to JR on the UFAs unless there's someone out there getting hit as hard with injuries as we are (Detroit)

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11-08-2009, 06:44 AM
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The good news is that the Canes' attendance will get a boost now that there will be so many scouts from every other team going to their games.

First gone will be Whitney, but JR will wait in a "bidding war" that will last until the beginning of December to open up an early rental season. Whitney, 12-9.

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11-08-2009, 08:05 AM
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I'll say Corvo is the first to be dealt in the next week or two, and I would expect Rodney to get the call to replace him in the line-up.

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11-08-2009, 12:01 PM
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I'll go off the board a bit and say Cullen goes, and it won't be before Staal gets back. With the emergence of Sutter, JR is going to force Mo to give him more time by making this move. Something like this I'm thinking:

Staal
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Brind'Amour
Yelle

Jokinen/Brind'Amour can alternate at wing and LW

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11-08-2009, 12:18 PM
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I wouldn't be caught surprised if Jimmy brought back an old friend by the name of Martin Gerber. It's a pretty far stretch i'd imagine, but when I remind myself who our GM is, you just never know. Gerber is under contract with Mytishchi (KHL), so i'm not exactly sure if he could get out of that.

Also, another random thought from left field, Gerber's teammate Nik Zherdev, I wonder if there is absolutely any chance JR has thought about this kid. Granted he carries his baggage, we've brought in guys before who carry their share of headlines. It's a big stretch obviously as JR is not likely in the mood to deal with any disgruntled Europeans, but truth be told the kid just turned 25 and is a winger with lots of talent. Wonder how he'd look on a line with Staal? Just a random thought. Who knows, having no teams line up to sign him after the Rangers walked could wake the kid up a bit. If Ray Emery can go to Europe and come back a changed man, would it be worth a chance on Nik Zherdev? I'm not saying it would or wouldn't be, I just randomly saw his name while looking up Marty Gerber and had this random thought go through my mind.

Would anyone take a chance on Nikolai Zherdev? Truth be told if he were to have his head on straight and return to form the way Emery has, he could be a young interesting piece to add to the rebuilding of this team.

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11-08-2009, 12:32 PM
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If we sign Gerber he has to pass through waivers since he's played in the KHL.

It's either going to be someone that's still a UFA (Fernandez), recently retired (Weekes) or AHL fodder then call up Peters to back up Leighton.

I'd take a shot at Zherdev next offseason, but not right now. Again, waivers. If we do it now he'll probably be claimed before you can flinch.

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The good news is that the Canes' attendance will get a boost now that there will be so many scouts from every other team going to their games.

First gone will be Whitney, but JR will wait in a "bidding war" that will last until the beginning of December to open up an early rental season. Whitney, 12-9.
ouch.

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11-08-2009, 12:40 PM
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If we sign Gerber he has to pass through waivers since he's played in the KHL.

It's either going to be someone that's still a UFA (Fernandez), recently retired (Weekes) or AHL fodder then call up Peters to back up Leighton.

I'd take a shot at Zherdev next offseason, but not right now. Again, waivers. If we do it now he'll probably be claimed before you can flinch.

Wouldn't we get 1st shot at a claim via waivers since we're the worst team in the league?

As for Fernandez, he'd likely be injured within his first 5 games and we'd be in the same situation all over again. Not so sure i'd even take the chance.


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wouldn't moving brindy to a cup contender be great?
he's done a lot for the franchise, but it's time to move on.
quickly.

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Wouldn't we get 1st shot at a claim via waivers since we're the worst team in the league?
Nope. Last year, with the Isles in dead last in the league and Joey MacDonald injured, the Isles signed Dubielewicz who had been playing in the KHL. Columbus snagged him off waivers.

It's like if we waived Yelle again. Sure we'd technically have first shot at him, but since we're the ones that waived him the other 29 teams get their shot at him.

Honestly my preference is probably Weekes when thinking about all the options. Not even sure he's much of an upgrade of Leighton at this point but he's at least a familiar face.

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11-08-2009, 12:51 PM
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wouldn't moving brindy to a cup contender be great?
he's done a lot for the franchise, but it's time to move on.
quickly.
The only problem is, said team is a cup contender because they don't have players like Rod making $5 mil on their roster LOL

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Nope. Last year, with the Isles in dead last in the league and Joey MacDonald injured, the Isles signed Dubielewicz who had been playing in the KHL. Columbus snagged him off waivers.

It's like if we waived Yelle again. Sure we'd technically have first shot at him, but since we're the ones that waived him the other 29 teams get their shot at him.

Thanks for clearing that up. Guess that thought can be tossed out the window then.

My guess if we're going to sign someone - Curtis Joseph, Martin Gerber (I'd bet he clears waivers), Manny Legace, Kevin Weeks (If he wants to leave his broadcasting role, which I think he is doing quite well with). If we do make a trade, we may work in a goaltender into the deal. Or JR shifts Morrison to Albany and recalls Peters.


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Corvo will be gone by the end of November.

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11-12-2009, 07:49 AM
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The only problem is, said team is a cup contender because they don't have players like Rod making $5 mil on their roster LOL
ALL THINGS considered, Rod hasn't been the problem thus far. Injuries have kind of forced the coaches' hand to put Rod out there in lots of situations, lots of ice time.


Tried a little data expirement:

Took each player and divided PTS, +/-, PIM, SOG and SPCT by his TOI.
Took those results and added:

PTS/TOI + (+/- / TOI)/5 - PIM/TOI + SOG/TOI + SPCT/TOI

Object here was to penalize for +/- but weight it less since it's more than just one guy that is on the ice for a goal against.

Anyway, the results of my 'quality' formula show the bottom guys on the team are:

Conboy -4.59
Alberts -.51
Kostopolous -.46
AWard -.24
Yelle -.19
Harrison -.17
Rodney -.09

And the top guys

Sutter 2.75
Jokinen 2.55
Whitney 2.47
Walker 2.39
Cullen 2.34
Ruutu 2.29
LaRose 2.27
Samsonov 2.22
Corvo 1.41
Staal 1.38
Brind'Amour 1.30
Cole 1.22
Wallin .74
Boychuk .49
Pitkanen .31
Gleason .21

Knowing this was far from scientific, but it's a consistent view across all players that rewards quality TOI (in my opinion), here are my thoughts:

Staal, Brid'Amour, Cole being so far down the positive list speak to value for our investment in them. They could improve.

Sutter, Jokinen, Ruutu, and Walker? Great value for the money, they need help but are really the guys (with Whitney) who seem to be holding some individual value.

Conboy, Alberts, Kostopolous, AWard, Yelle are unfortunately killing us. Any talk of depth in CAR stops when you get to these guys on both Offense and Defense.

Top 3 D Corvo, Pits and Gleason - keep 'em there, but get them better help from somewhere.

I would run these lines against the NYI based on these numbers:

Whitney-Sutter-Ruutu
Cole-Cullen-Jokinen
Samsonov-Brind'Amour-LaRose
Kostopolous-Yelle-Conboy

D-pairings

Corvo-Gleason
Pitkanen-Wallin
AWard-Alberts

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11-12-2009, 08:02 AM
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I have an odd feeling something will happen today. Don't know why. I will say if we don't win tomorrow vs. The Islanders, I think Jimmy does something. Whether it has to do with waivers, one of our AHL guys coming up, a trade, something. Call it my hunch. I guess I just feel that somethings gotta give here.

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Even if we do make trades we'll be lucky to get anything near a 2nd rounder. This team historically makes "fair" trades and often limits their returns by dealing with ntcs and even when a small miracle occurs and there isn't one we still ask players where they want to go. Francis and Wesley were far better players, even past their prime, and we got 2nds at the deadline? I guess we could grab a prospect that's not panning out but chances are they won't pan out here either.

Best case scenario is we just rid the team of the vets thereby cementing our finish in the top 5. However, I fully expect a late rush to finish 10-15.

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Best case scenario is we just rid the team of the vets thereby cementing our finish in the top 5. However, I fully expect a late rush to finish 10-15.
Yah, our hands seem pretty tied. It just may be a case of riding what we've got until the right time comes to unload. I will go ape **** if we go on some 15 game hot streak at some point this season that places us in the 12-14'ish range for the draft yet out of the playoffs. It would be our luck.

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Conboy, Alberts, Kostopolous, AWard, Yelle are unfortunately killing us. Any talk of depth in CAR stops when you get to these guys on both Offense and Defense.
You know what they say about stats........ other than Ward who was brought in to play top 4 minutes, its pretty hard to say two 4th liners and a healthy scratch are killing us. Its also a little strange to see Larose so high considering his nightly invisibilty, which maybe points to the fact that noone has been good. It would be interesting to see this formula applied to a team like San Jose so we would now which numbers are actually quality. We have no high quality numbers to compare Sutter's 2.75 to.

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You know what they say about stats........ other than Ward who was brought in to play top 4 minutes, its pretty hard to say two 4th liners and a healthy scratch are killing us. Its also a little strange to see Larose so high considering his nightly invisibilty, which maybe points to the fact that noone has been good. It would be interesting to see this formula applied to a team like San Jose so we would now which numbers are actually quality. We have no high quality numbers to compare Sutter's 2.75 to.
San Jose's top guys:

Marleau 5.03
Setoguchi 4.41
Heatley 3.88
Ferreiero 3.69
Thornton 3.55
Couture 2.85

Bottom Guys:

Shelley -6.95
Staubitz -.442
McLaren -.100

Nichols, Murray, Clowe and Huskins are their lowest 'regulars'

The whole point of my expirement was to value what the guys do during the time they're on the ice. "Quality for time played" - to see if there might be some shifting to reward quality on-ice time.

For our guys, even if they're 4th line, if they're a net negative while they're out there, why not try something/someone else?

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