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The Legend of Rin gets us an Avalanche of PP goals --thanks oilersnyc!

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11-08-2009, 11:01 PM
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He did score two, count them, two, shorthanded goals against Philly once upon a time ago. He was all hustle and energy then. Oilers could really use a few shorties for, instead of against this season. But I digress, Moreau appears to be a shadow of the player he once was. Probably to many injuries, and age.
yeah and joe hulbig scored a highlight goal against the wings once upon a time ago..

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11-08-2009, 11:02 PM
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This team desperately needs a #1 and a #2 centre. Horcoff, well.....is Horcoff. Gagner's barely a 2nd line guy and he most certainly is not first line material. Not quite ready to give up on him, but if there were an opportunity to deal him, it wouldn't make me cry.

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11-08-2009, 11:04 PM
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Taking nothing away from Potulny and RedOx, they were both really good. But, its easy to look good in one game. This team and its members suffer from one consistency - inconsistency. Till that can be erased from their games, I'm afraid Oiler fans can never rest easy.

But hey, if it aint a rollercoaster, then it aint Oilers hockey!
Didn't I say it was just one game!

But you have to start somewhere. I am not going to gripe after a win against a team that hadn't lost at home, had not let in more than 4 goals all season, is first place in the division and in the conference and was playing their top goaltender.

Important win to build some confidence on this road trip.

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11-08-2009, 11:05 PM
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I'm not saying the PP is better without Hemmer
Why not? go'head Ryan, you know you want to.

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11-08-2009, 11:05 PM
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This team desperately needs a #1 and a #2 centre. Horcoff, well.....is Horcoff. Gagner's barely a 2nd line guy and he most certainly is not first line material. Not quite ready to give up on him, but if there were an opportunity to deal him, it wouldn't make me cry.
Between your Stone comments and these Gagner comments, i wonder if you're watching the same players as the rest of us

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11-08-2009, 11:06 PM
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I agree that you move one of Gilbert or Grebs. Smid's more than ready to play in the top four and Grebs or Gilbert would both fetch solid returns I would think and there's no point in one of them being on the third pairing which is where one would belong seeing as how Lubo, Souray, Smid are 1-2-3 imo. I just hate that third pairing of Staios and Struds. Zero mobility. I'd consider giving Chorney some games over Strudwick. Let's just hope we can get healthy enough to have this discussion.
As much as Gilbert angers me with his soft play, the oil have 5 respectable d-men with Lubo, Souray, Smid, Grebs, and Gilbert. If we could move Grebs or Gilbert for a 15-20 goal forward I think the organization would jump at the chance, but I just don't think they're going to move either of those guys without being wowed by the offer.

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11-08-2009, 11:07 PM
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The best thing a PP can do is move the puck quickly and make snap decisions with either a pass or a shot. Hemsky likes to control the PP, and often holds on to the puck too long - usually it takes a perfect play or a Souray laser to get a goal. Moving the puck slowly plays into the hands of the penalty killers.

I'm not saying the PP is better without Hemmer, but the units tried different things tonight (ie. quick puck movement) and it worked out. Hopefully they can sustain that.
Last season already Gagner was running a better PP than Hemsky and resulting in more production despite not having the first unit weapons like Souray as much.

People confuse Hemsky's PP pts with how productive a Hemsky run PP is. The only difference is on a Hemsky PP every play basically runs through him. On a Gagner PP the puck gets distributed more.

With Gagner running the PP(and with less first unit guns to work with) the PP clicked at 6.50pts/60mins last year.

With Hemsky it was slightly below at 6.30pts/60mins but the Hemsky PP was very predicated on whether Souray was on or off the ice.

Gagner gets around half the PP pts as Hemsky but uses the 5 player unit more efficiently.

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11-08-2009, 11:07 PM
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This team desperately needs a #1 and a #2 centre. Horcoff, well.....is Horcoff. Gagner's barely a 2nd line guy and he most certainly is not first line material. Not quite ready to give up on him, but if there were an opportunity to deal him, it wouldn't make me cry.
Huh?

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Well, I was going to listen to Tencer's show, but after they named the first caller after the break, I turned off the stream.

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Didn't I say it was just one game!

But you have to start somewhere. I am not going to gripe after a win against a team that hadn't lost at home, had not let in more than 4 goals all season, is first place in the division and in the conference and was playing their top goaltender.

Important win to build some confidence on this road trip.
My bad, you did. My apologies.

Agreed. I hope the Oilers can build off this win. It was against the top team in the NHL. It was against a person that's shut them out twice before (in the only two games he's played against the Oilers). They got their PP going. Doing all this without their top player, top centre (I use the term loosely) and without their top defensive defenceman.

There are a lot of positives that they should use as a springboard and hopefully start to build a winning record.

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Between your Stone comments and these Gagner comments, i wonder if you're watching the same players as the rest of us
Yeah, I wonder that too. I also wonder how much people are influenced by the opinions of others. I wonder if anyone watches the players in question without pre-formed opinions.

I also wonder why they always forget to send duck sauce when I have Chinese food delivered.....I really hate when that happens.

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Yeah, I wonder that too. I also wonder how much people are influenced by the opinions of others. I wonder if anyone watches the players in question without pre-formed opinions.
So, everyone is wrong about Gagner except for you?

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Just for DSF. The cavalry did come!
Yes it was only one game but Potunly and Redox were a big part of this win.

Yes I will compliment Reddox, he showed a lot of energy, good PK work. Exactly what this team needed.
Pfft, he doesn't post after wins.

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Greetings Guys- Penguins troll here,

I got a chance to go to the game tonight, and your PP was amazing. It looked like you were playing against air, perfect passing, great spacing, great puck movement and distribution. Hopefully the Pens will watch the tape of your PP. Great win tonight, gentlemen.

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So, everyone is wrong about Gagner except for you?
No. I just wonder if sometimes people are more influenced by what they're told than by what they actually see.

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Wow, this place can be almost as bad after a win, as it can be after a loss. In fact, I think fans agree more after a loss.... is that pathetic, or what?

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This team desperately needs a #1 and a #2 centre. Horcoff, well.....is Horcoff. Gagner's barely a 2nd line guy and he most certainly is not first line material. Not quite ready to give up on him, but if there were an opportunity to deal him, it wouldn't make me cry.
Gagner is barely 20 years old. I should hope you wouldn't be ready to give up on him; that would be incredibly foolish.

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Wow, this place can be almost as bad after a win, as it can be after a loss. In fact, I think fans agree more after a loss.... is that pathetic, or what?
But if all of us agreed all the time we'd be flames fans, and no one around here wants that.

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Yeah, I wonder that too. I also wonder how much people are influenced by the opinions of others. I wonder if anyone watches the players in question without pre-formed opinions.

I also wonder why they always forget to send duck sauce when I have Chinese food delivered.....I really hate when that happens.
Huh? That analogy doesn't even make sense...... So you think that Stone is a useless player and that Gagner is barely a second line center and can never ever be a first line center? I watch every Oiler game and Stone was very effective in being physical which this team has sorely missed since he's been out and Gagner has played well this year and has actually run a more effective PP unit than Hemsky imo as was witnessed tonight but no he's barely a second line center and we should trade him now

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No. I just wonder if sometimes people are more influenced by what they're told than by what they actually see.
So what do you see that makes you think that Gagner isn't even a second line player?

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Pfft, he doesn't post after wins.
Sure I do.

If Potulny and Reddox are the cavalary you may have a problem.

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Huh? That analogy doesn't even make sense...... So you think that Stone is a useless player and that Gagner is barely a second line center and can never ever be a first line center? I watch every Oiler game and Stone was very effective in being physical which this team has sorely missed since he's been out and Gagner has played well this year and has actually run a more effective PP unit than Hemsky imo as was witnessed tonight but no he's barely a second line center and we should trade him now
hmm...your reading skills need some work, maybe? I'm not denying Stone's ability to hit people. I'm denying his ability to skate, pass the puck, handle the puck, stick handle and be a useful offensive playmaking centre.

And did I say we should trade Gagner now? I'm pretty sure I didn't. He's decent on the power play, but when it comes to ES play, his playmaking really disappears.

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Sure I do.

If Potulny and Reddox are the cavalary you may have a problem.
If it's getting us wins and you're still sour I'd say the problem isn't mine.

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Just for DSF. The cavalry did come!

Yes it was only one game but Potunly and Redox were a big part of this win.

Yes I will compliment Reddox, he showed a lot of energy, good PK work. Exactly what this team needed.
There's Calvary and then there's foot soldiers. Good game by both however.

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