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11-09-2009, 01:48 PM
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Let's not forget that if Giguere plays well in his time here, the Leafs might be able to flip him at the deadline next season for a decent return.
Giguere has a NTC or a NMC so you would not be able to flip him during the deadline.

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If we get a good prospect (Sbisa ) and a 1st...SURE...

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11-09-2009, 01:55 PM
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Giguere has a NTC or a NMC so you would not be able to flip him during the deadline.
Fair enough, it would be subject to his approval. But, being that it would basically his last hurrah, he might be more likely to waive his NMC to move to a contender for a final run at the Cup.

That was only mentioned as a potential bonus to the deal.

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11-09-2009, 02:13 PM
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Well, They have two 1sts this year.If they were to send one of them our way for picking up the 6mil hit next year then you'd look at it, But as it stands one for one i wouldn't do it.
it would have to be their first as their is a good chance it will be top 10

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11-09-2009, 02:22 PM
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I'd probably do it.... I already hate the thought of Gustavsson already being the 1A starter. I don't care how good he is playing, IMO he should still be eased into the position, especially after the injuries he's already sustained, and the fact he still has learning/adapting too. Also, he's a RFA, after this season... I'm sure Burke would love to keep his next contract at a lower figure, which is more likely if he's not playing #1 goalie mins.

Give Gustavsson 50%, give Giguere 50%

It will give us ONE HELL of a better chance of not giving Boston that 1st-3rd overall pick.

Maybe send Jamal Mayers to Anaheim, then we would be losing only a small amount of cap space for this season.

Stajan will be gone next year, maybe Ponikarovsky, one of Blake/Hagman or Stempniak, Van Ryn, possibly Finger, and Wayne Primeau won't be making his 1.4 million (anywhere).... together that is potentially more than 10 million dollars of space.

Also, if Giguere returns to form, he probably could land us at least a 2nd at next years deadline.

Its simple, if Burke keeps us higher in the standings for the next two years... he looks like a genius, if he doesn't Chiarelli does and he looks like a goat... and if Gustavsson goes down, likely so does our team.

Imagine this:

To Boston - 15th overall + 20th overall
To Toronto - Kessel

(Giguere deal cancels out the 2nds)


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I'd probably do it.... I already hate the thought of Gustavsson already being the 1A starter. I don't care how good he is playing, IMO he should still be eased into the position, especially after the injuries he's already sustained, and the fact he still has learning to. Also, he's a RFA, after this season... I'm sure Burke would love to keep his next contract at a lower figure, which is likely if he's not playing #1 goalie mins.

Give Gustavsson 50%, give Giguere 50%

It will give us ONE HELL of a better chance of not giving Boston that 1st-3rd overall pick.

Maybe send Jamal Mayers to Anaheim, then we would be gaining a small amount of cap space for this season.

Stajan will be gone next year, maybe Ponikarovsky, one of Blake/Hagman or Stempniak, Van Ryn, possibly Finger, and Wayne Primeau won't be making his 1.4 million (anywhere).... together that is potentially more than 10 million dollars of space.

Also, if Giguere returns to form, he probably could land us at least a 2nd at next years deadline.

...... just to add, if Gustavsson goes down, likely so does our team, Burke can't allow that. Its simple, if Burke keeps us higher in the standings for the next two years... he looks like a genius, if he doesn't Chiarelli does and he looks like a goat.

Imagine this:

To Boston - 15th overall + 20th overall
To Toronto - Kessel

(Giguere deal cancels out the 2nds)
Yeah if not being last is all Burke wants, I dont think Leafs fans will want him here. I want this team competing and the only way that happens is if we add a 1st liner next year. Getting Giguere will automatically put and end to that possibility

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11-09-2009, 02:41 PM
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He makes too much money to do a straight swap for Toskala.

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11-09-2009, 02:41 PM
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Only way I'd say yes would be if there sending a 1st round pick as well.

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11-09-2009, 02:43 PM
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I think you can find a mentor for next year for less than a $6 mil cap hit, no (or the buyout price)?
You'd have to think Finger (salary) would have to go the other way with Toskala.

or a guy like Finger sent to the minors.

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11-09-2009, 02:44 PM
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I'd probably do it.... I already hate the thought of Gustavsson already being the 1A starter. I don't care how good he is playing, IMO he should still be eased into the position, especially after the injuries he's already sustained, and the fact he still has learning/adapting too. Also, he's a RFA, after this season... I'm sure Burke would love to keep his next contract at a lower figure, which is more likely if he's not playing #1 goalie mins.

Give Gustavsson 50%, give Giguere 50%

It will give us ONE HELL of a better chance of not giving Boston that 1st-3rd overall pick.

Maybe send Jamal Mayers to Anaheim, then we would be losing only a small amount of cap space for this season.

Stajan will be gone next year, maybe Ponikarovsky, one of Blake/Hagman or Stempniak, Van Ryn, possibly Finger, and Wayne Primeau won't be making his 1.4 million (anywhere).... together that is potentially more than 10 million dollars of space.

Also, if Giguere returns to form, he probably could land us at least a 2nd at next years deadline.

Its simple, if Burke keeps us higher in the standings for the next two years... he looks like a genius, if he doesn't Chiarelli does and he looks like a goat... and if Gustavsson goes down, likely so does our team.

Imagine this:

To Boston - 15th overall + 20th overall
To Toronto - Kessel

(Giguere deal cancels out the 2nds)
I do agree with this,

If Gusta goes down and we still have Toskala, so does our team.

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11-09-2009, 02:47 PM
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It's hilarious reading each teams fans' thoughts on this.

The majority of Anaheim posters think Toronto would need to send something else with Toskala to reach Giguere's value.

The majority of Toronto fans think pick(s)/a prospect would have to come the Leafs' way -- along with a salary dump -- to meet Giguere's lack of value and 6 million dollars next year.

I'm on board with the middleground...Giguere has equal value to Toskala in that he's a better tender, but makes 6 million dollars for an extra year. That said, Burke can't be stupid enough to do it unless AT LEAST 3 million is going the other way.

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You'd have to think Finger (salary) would have to go the other way with Toskala.

or a guy like Finger sent to the minors.
It's such a waste to waive a guy like Finger to get a goaltender that we don't even need. It's not like Giguere is playing anywhere near good enough either. The guy had a brutal year last season and is well on his way to having another one this season.

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No. No. No.

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If we pick up Giguere, there is absolutely no way he is being traded afterwords. His son needs specialized hospital care which is why he has an NTC. If he accepts the trade due to his connections to Burke and the quality child hospitals in Toronto, there is no way he would leave until he's a free agent.

If we can find a way to shed some salary, he'd definitely be a better option than Toskala to back up Gusto. Not so big on the idea of a straight up swap though.

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The Carey Price analogy is a terrible one. He is NOW only 22, got the gig at 20 the Monster is 25.

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We have a chance here to have one of the best bang-for-bucks from our goaltending next year in the league - and you guys want to spend $6 mil on a backup now?

If spending $6 mil on a backup to an unproven starter was a good idea, why would Anaheim be trading Giguere in the first place?

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11-09-2009, 03:08 PM
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Giguere has a NTC or a NMC so you would not be able to flip him during the deadline.
Actually when a player waives his clause it becomes void.

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Joey MacDonald was as good as Giguere last year - and this year so far as well.

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11-09-2009, 03:10 PM
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Kessel (5.4) - Kadri (1.75) - Blake (4.0)
Hagman (3.0) - Grabovski (2.9) - Kulemin (RFA)
Stalberg (.85) - Bozak (3.275) - Hanson (RFA)
Rosehill (.512) - Mitchell (RFA) - Orr (1.0)
Tlusty (RFA)

Komisarek (4.5) - Kaberle (4.25)
Beauchemin (3.8) - Schenn (2.975)
Finger (3.5) - White (RFA)
Gunnarsson (.85)

Gustavsson (RFA)
Backup (?)

Tucker buyout 1.0

Cap Hit - 43.56mil


Expiring Contracts
Toskala 4.0
Van Ryn 2.9
Stempniak 2.5
Gustavsson 2.5* RFA
Ponikarovsky 2.105
Stajan 1.75
Kulemin 1.487* RFA
Primeau 1.4
Exelby 1.391
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Doesn't Jiggy have NTC?

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Giguere also has his NTC and because of his son's medical condition (I don't know how his son's eye problem is doing currently) he might not be interested in leaving Southern California.

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Add about $9 mil to re-sign Gusto, White, Kulemin, and Mitchell there.

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Actually when a player waives his clause it becomes void.
Actually no, you're wrong.

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09/10

J-S.Giguere (ANA): 4gms, 0-2-1, 3.65gaa, .895sv%
J.MacDonald (TOR): 3gms, 0-3-0, 3.35gaa, .875sv%

08/09

J-S.Giguere (ANA): 46gms, 19-18-6, 3.10gaa, .900sv%
J.MacDonald (NYI): 49gms, 14-26-6, 3.37gaa, .901sv%

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Yeah if not being last is all Burke wants, I dont think Leafs fans will want him here. I want this team competing and the only way that happens is if we add a 1st liner next year. Getting Giguere will automatically put and end to that possibility
Why won't we be competing?

To Anaheim: Mayers + Toskala

To Toronto: Giguere

Salary Cap difference: Approx - $300, 000

Improvement in skill: Toronto

Toronto would almost definitely be more improved this season, from this deal. The team gets better, and there wouldn't be any controversy as I'm sure Allaire/Giguere/Gustavsson would get along splendidly.

Next season:

Backup cost: Approx 1 Million.

Jeff Finger Cost + 1 of Hagman/Stempniak = 6.5 million, or 5.5 million

Giguere + movement of Finger (either waivers or trade), + movement of Hagman/Stempniak = Approx + 500, 000 dollars or - 500, 000 dollars in cap space.

We'd be fine, if not better off.

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11-09-2009, 03:21 PM
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Add about $9 mil to re-sign Gusto, White, Kulemin, and Mitchell there.
What's funny is Kulemin and Gustavsson are likely to see their cap hits decrease next year without the incentive-laden ELC contracts.

I sincerely believe that one of Finger or Blake will be bought out this summer.

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