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Jim Coleman Conference Final: (1) Detroit Falcons vs. (2) Kimberley Dynamiters

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12-07-2009, 06:11 PM
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Jim Coleman Conference Final: (1) Detroit Falcons vs. (2) Kimberley Dynamiters

DETROIT FALCONS

GM: EagleBelfour
Coach: Herb Brooks
Assistant Coach:Father David Bauer

Woody Dumart - Milt Schmidt (C) - Bobby Bauer
Roy Conacher - Duke Keats (A) - Harry Hyland
Harry P. Watson - Phil Goyette - Bobby Rousseau
Ed Sandford - Buddy O'Connor - Harry Oliver

Bill Quackenbush - Jimmy Thomson (A)
Lionel Conacher (A) - Cyclone Wentworth
Art Duncan - Bucko McDonald

Terry Sawchuk
Mike Karakas

Reggie Fleming (LW/D)
Wally Hergesheimer (RW)

Powerplay:
Woody Dumart - Milt Schmidt - Bobby Bauer
Bill Quackenbush - Lionel Conacher

Roy Conacher - Duke Keats - Harry Hyland
Jimmy Thomson - Bobby Rousseau

Harry Watson - Buddy O'Connor - Harry Oliver
Art Duncan - Cy Wentworth

Penalty Kill:
Milt Schmidt - Woody Dumart
Cy Wentworth - Jimmy Thomson

Phil Goyette - Bobby Rousseau
Bill Quackenbush - Bucko McDonald

Buddy O'Connor - Harry Watson
Art Duncan - Lionel Conacher


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KIMBERLEY DYNAMITERS

GM: Mr Bugg
Head Coach: Pete Green
Assistant Coach: John Muckler

Sid Smith - Joe Sakic - Larry Aurie
Brian Bellows - Marcel Dionne - Reggie Leach
Thomas Steen - Kent Nilsson - Hakan Loob
Johnny Gottselig - Dave Poulin - Mario Tremblay
Johnny Wilson - Duane Sutter

Ray Bourque - Rob Blake
Kevin Lowe - Adam Foote
George Owen - Bill Hajt

Grant Fuhr
Charlie Hodge

Callups:
F: Morris Lukowich, Jason Spezza, Russ Courtnall
D: Normand Rochefort, Rick Green
G: Earl Robinson

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12-08-2009, 12:30 PM
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[CENTER]DETROIT FALCONS

GM: EagleBelfour
Coach: Herb Brooks
Assistant Coach:Father David Bauer

Woody Dumart - Milt Schmidt (C) - Bobby Bauer
Roy Conacher - Duke Keats (A) - Harry Hyland
Harry P. Watson - Phil Goyette - Bobby Rousseau
Ed Sandford - Buddy O'Connor - Harry Oliver

Bill Quackenbush - Jimmy Thomson (A)
Lionel Conacher (A) - Cyclone Wentworth
Art Duncan - Bucko McDonald

Terry Sawchuk
Mike Karakas

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KIMBERLEY DYNAMITERS

GM: Mr Bugg
Head Coach: Pete Green
Assistant Coach: John Muckler

Sid Smith - Joe Sakic - Larry Aurie
Brian Bellows - Marcel Dionne - Reggie Leach
Thomas Steen - Kent Nilsson - Hakan Loob
Johnny Gottselig - Dave Poulin - Mario Tremblay
Johnny Wilson - Duane Sutter

Ray Bourque - Rob Blake
Kevin Lowe - Adam Foote
George Owen - Bill Hajt

Grant Fuhr
Charlie Hodge
I'll take the first shot at this match-up.

First Lines:
It's close, but for me, Sakic is the best player on either line. The wingers, overall, are pretty even. Smith is the best offensive winger, and Dumart is the best defensive winger. Bauer and Aurie, for me, are not 1st line material. I'd have to give the slight edge to Kimberly.

Second Lines:
Dionne is the best player on eaither line, but he is surrounded by weak wingers. Keats gets to feed Hyland and Conacher, which should be deadly. Edge to Detroit.

Third Lines:
Detroit has one of the best 2-way lines of the draft, so they have a clear edge here.

First Defense Pair:
Ray Bourque is the best player in the series, and he's paired up with a pretty decent #2 guy. Detroit has a mediocre top pair, so the edge goes to Kimberly.

Second Defense Pair:
Detroit's second pair might be better than their first, but either way, this 2nd unit is a lot better than Lowe-Foote. Big edge to Detroit.

Goaltending:
I think both Sawchuk and Fuhr are over-rated.... but Sawchuk is still clearly better than Fuhr. Edge goes to Detroit.

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Of the four teams I considered true powerhouses, just two are left. Detroit is one of them. A Tidewater/Detroit final would fulfill my initial prediction and would be a fitting finale, despite a few head-scratchers along the way.

Pre-destined? Not by a long shot. Both teams need to still show me why they should win, as should their opponents.

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First Lines:
It's close, but for me, Sakic is the best player on either line. The wingers, overall, are pretty even. Smith is the best offensive winger, and Dumart is the best defensive winger. Bauer and Aurie, for me, are not 1st line material. I'd have to give the slight edge to Kimberly.

Second Lines:
Dionne is the best player on eaither line, but he is surrounded by weak wingers. Keats gets to feed Hyland and Conacher, which should be deadly. Edge to Detroit.

Third Lines:
Detroit has one of the best 2-way lines of the draft, so they have a clear edge here.

First Defense Pair:
Ray Bourque is the best player in the series, and he's paired up with a pretty decent #2 guy. Detroit has a mediocre top pair, so the edge goes to Kimberly.

Second Defense Pair:
Detroit's second pair might be better than their first, but either way, this 2nd unit is a lot better than Lowe-Foote. Big edge to Detroit.

Goaltending:
I think both Sawchuk and Fuhr are over-rated.... but Sawchuk is still clearly better than Fuhr. Edge goes to Detroit.
Good analysis; I'd agree.

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Of the four teams I considered true powerhouses, just two are left. Detroit is one of them. A Tidewater/Detroit final would fulfill my initial prediction and would be a fitting finale, despite a few head-scratchers along the way.

Pre-destined? Not by a long shot. Both teams need to still show me why they should win, as should their opponents.
I'd be interested in hearing your other two powerhouses.

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I'd be interested in hearing your other two powerhouses.
I bet you would.

(I've been pretty vocal in my support of both of them)

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Sorry everyone for my inaction in this series. I caught a virulent gastroenteritis ... I feel a little better but today was hell.

I'll try to squeeze some thoughts at one point Wednesday.

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I bet you would.

(I've been pretty vocal in my support of both of them)
The Pats, and who?

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The main thing I want to know before voting is how each team plans on matching up against the offensive weapons of their opponent.

I wouldn't mind extending voting until midnight tomorrow night (instead of noon), if that gives you guys a chance to post some brief thoughts.

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The main thing I want to know before voting is how each team plans on matching up against the offensive weapons of their opponent.

I wouldn't mind extending voting until midnight tomorrow night (instead of noon), if that gives you guys a chance to post some brief thoughts.
I feel a whole lot better today, so I'll give some thoughts on this series.


Again, I would like to see the Krauts as often against the Dynamiters first line. I think Schmidt is best center in this series. What Sakic might have on Schmidt offensively, he take it back in term of defensive abilities, physicality, speed and leadership (not to say Sakic was not a good leader himself). Schmidt is a flawless hockey player: he is what Jean Béliveau was to the Montreal Canadiens. That how highly I think of him (Beliveau was definitely the best hockey player though!) I think Schmidt will be able to counter Sakic greatly and make him almost a non-factor in this series: I think a Schmidt-Sakic confrontation is as good of a confrontation for Schmidt that he got in these playoffs so far. I would be surprise if the Dynamiters would want to face their first line against the Krauts, but it's up to them.

There's no doubt in my mind that the biggest challenge for the Detroit Falcons is to find a way to counter the flawless Raymond Bourque, a proud member of the Falcons last draft. He brings everything you like from a defenseman and he can hurt you as much on offense than defensively. Again, I would like to see the Krauts and Milt Schmidt/Woody Dumart on the ice as often as they can against Bourque: both will play a more prominent role on defense and use their speed to score goals on the counter attack. The defense pairing I would like to play against Bourque would be Lionel Conacher - Cy Wentworth: Conacher was one of the best shot-blocker on his generation while Wentworth was a fantastic defensive defenseman. That's how good as someone can hope for limiting Raymond Bourque activity on the offense.

I like Marcel Dionne a lot. While he might have been less productive in the playoffs, he was still very good. I just don't think Dionne has the wingers to excel in these playoffs. Brian Bellows should not be on a top-6 in a ATD context, while Reggie Leach, while a great playoff performer, is overall an ok Top-6. My line of Conacher-Keats-Hyland will badly outscore the Bellows-Dionne-Leach line, while bringing physicality and leadership.

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What if he splits Sakic and Bourque up?

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What if he splits Sakic and Bourque up?
If I'm at home, Schmidt will be glued to Sakic all night long. If I'm away, the Krauts will either play against Sakic or Bourque, depending on Pete Green. My third line of Harry Watson, Phil Goyette and Bobby Rousseau, one of the best two-way line of the draft, will then play against Sakic or Bourque. I think I have the tools to stop the Dynamiters offensively either they decide to keep the Sakic-Bourque duo together or split them.

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The Detroit Falcons defeat the Kimberley Dynamiters in six games.

Three stars:
1. Milt Schmidt
2. Terry Sawchuk
3. Joe Sakic

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Damn. I finally lost to one of these teams, and I don't think having the time to argue it would have helped my fortunes. A good team and good luck in the Finals, Detroit.

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