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11-12-2009, 10:01 AM
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Quick Question (mod: Nylander waivers)

Will delete this thread when the answer comes up as it is definately not thread worthy.

The question is if Nylander plays in Russia, what happens to his contract? Is Washington on the hook for his remaining money and more importantly are they on the hook for a cap hit?

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Will delete this thread when the answer comes up as it is definately not thread worthy.

The question is if Nylander plays in Russia, what happens to his contract? Is Washington on the hook for his remaining money and more importantly are they on the hook for a cap hit?

Thanks in advance.
I haven't been following the Nylander situation closely.

AIUI, Nylander waived his NMC, was waived, but has not yet been assigned.

There are a couple of possible scenerios:

1. The Caps assign him to the AHL (and he reports) - the Caps are on the hook for the remainder of his salary, but his cap hit is off the books.

2. The Caps assign him to the AHL (and he does NOT report) - the Caps can suspend him without pay and his cap hit is off the books. The Caps could also theoretically terminate his SPC for breach.

3. Nylander signs overseas without the Caps permission - the Caps can suspend him without pay (or terminate his SPC) and his cap hit is off the books and they can likely get his SPC tolled (a la Yashin) if they choose (unlikely).

4. The Caps can loan Nylander to a team overseas - the Caps are technically responsible for his NHL salary, but can come to an agreement with the overseas club to pay all/part of it, and his cap is off the books.

5. The caps can assign him to the AHL and recall him - exposing him to Re-Entry Waivers.

Note that Nylander (DOB: 10/3/72) is NOT a 35+ yo player - he signed his current 4 yr SPC in July 2007 and was only 34 yo as of June 30, 2007 (the definition of "age" for the Malakhov rule).

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I haven't been following the Nylander situation closely.

AIUI, Nylander waived his NMC, was waived, but has not yet been assigned.

There are a couple of possible scenerios:

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Just a quick comment - I think most people have decided that he didn't necessarily need to waive the NMC to be put on waivers (although you may know better - when it comes to CBA questions you usually do) - but to assign/trade/send him anywhere WOULD require the NMC to be waived. So the Caps can still not unilaterally do anything - it pretty much has to be Nylander's choice.

Despite clearing waivers, if he wanted to he could still sit on their roster getting paid taking up a roster spot and cap space all year, and the team would be helpless to do anything about it until the summer when they could buy him out.


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Just a quick comment - I think most people have decided that he didn't necessarily need to waive the NMC to be put on waivers (although you may know better - when it comes to CBA questions you usually do) - but to assign/trade/send him anywhere WOULD require the NMC to be waived. So the Caps can still not unilaterally do anything - it pretty much has to be Nylander's choice.
There's nothing in the waiver rules that provide for the possibility that a team could make a 'winning' waiver claim for a player but not be able to then acquire that player due to their having a NMC. The CBA language isn't completely explicit that an NMC player can't be Waived at all--the language does simply say the player can't be involuntarily relocated via Trade, Loan or Waiver claim.

However past precedent of players like Darcy Tucker who were never placed on waivers prior to being bought out, as well as the language in CBA 11.8(b) providing the player an option whether to be waived prior to a buyout or not support the interpretation that a player with an NMC cannot be placed on waivers without their consent.


note: it is absolutely possible that a player with an NMC could agree to be Waived, however would not agree to be Loaned to a minor league team.

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Will delete this thread when the answer comes up as it is definately not thread worthy.
OT aside: please don't do this. The forum is a shared resource, not just your personal Q&A line. Other readers (like myself) can benefit from reading the answers to your question, no matter how seemingly trivial. And deleting the thread wastes the effort that other posters have put into formulating replies. Let the mods decide whether a thread is appropriate or not.

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OT aside: please don't do this. The forum is a shared resource, not just your personal Q&A line. Other readers (like myself) can benefit from reading the answers to your question, no matter how seemingly trivial. And deleting the thread wastes the effort that other posters have put into formulating replies. Let the mods decide whether a thread is appropriate or not.
It would better if the thread had a better title, like Nylander question.

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