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View Poll Results: Who would you not re-sign for next season?
Lee Stempniak 66 44.59%
Alexei Ponikarovsky 30 20.27%
Matt Stajan 78 52.70%
Nikolai Kulemin 4 2.70%
Wayne Primeau 108 72.97%
Jamal Mayers 128 86.49%
Jiri Tlusty 8 5.41%
Rickard Wallin 70 47.30%
John Mitchell 22 14.86%
Ian White 4 2.70%
Mike Van Ryn 114 77.03%
Garnet Exelby 93 62.84%
Vesa Toskala 131 88.51%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 148. You may not vote on this poll

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11-13-2009, 12:10 PM
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If you believe that we are going to get Kovalchuk and Savard and Marleau and Ott and everyone you guys want u are seriously dreaming. Be realistic here
Not sure where that's coming from.

You think they will only change 3 players from this year to next and you speak of realism?

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11-13-2009, 12:12 PM
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I voted Poni, Kulemin, Tlusty, White to stay.

Poni I am on the fence, but he's always been decent and has good size. He could be a 3rd line winger with his defensive play while pinching in offensively. But I wouldn't sign him more than 2 or 3 years.

Kessel, Kadri, Kulemin, Tlusty, Bozak, Stalberg, Hanson, Poni, Hagman

That would be our top 9 next year (hopefully) barring trades/UFA signings.

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11-13-2009, 12:13 PM
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Why in the world would anybody vote White or Kulemin?

They'll be here long long term, barring a trade.
White is dependant on how much he and his agent are asking for in a raise. Over three million and I would move him.

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11-13-2009, 12:19 PM
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They need a number 6 guy who can play a regular shift.

As for the thread, I opted to move:

Lee Stempniak
- has played well, but can open up cap space
Matt Stajan - up and down season so far, how much will he want? is he worth investing in with Mitchell and Grabovski here? Also with Kadri and Bozak coming through the ranks?
Wayne Primeau - getting older, makes sense to move him at the deadline.
Jamal Mayers - same as Primeau.
Rickard Wallin- replaceable.
Mike Van Ryn- don't see a reason to re-sign him unless it's at league minimum.
Garnett Exelby- replaceable
Vesa Toskala- try to find a cheaper alternative
I opted for the exact same players fo all the same reasons. Also, I hate Matt Stajan with a passion. Oops, I just noticed you had Wallin on your list. He's easily replaceable but I'd keep him partly because of the connection he has with Goose and because I think he's fine on the third line. Besides, it couldn't hurt to have a few Swedes on the roster i.e. Stalberg, Wallin, Goose and maybe Gunner

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11-13-2009, 12:25 PM
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Why in the world would anybody vote White or Kulemin?

They'll be here long long term, barring a trade.
Well...

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I completely screwed up and misread the poll. I accidentally voted for the people I WOULD keep, which was Poni, White, Tlusty, Kulemin. Ignore one of the votes for each of these people. Also voted for Wallin. Bring him back. Yes, I am willing to do anything to make Gustavsson happy.
That explains the Kulemin vote and 1 of the votes for White. Not sure where the other people's votes for White are coming from.

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11-13-2009, 12:29 PM
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Well...



That explains the Kulemin vote and 1 of the votes for White. Not sure where the other people's votes for White are coming from.
Haha fair enough, I didn't read that.

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11-13-2009, 12:33 PM
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Tlusty, Mitchell, Kulemin, White, and Monster (who is noticeably absent from the list) are all RFA, so there’s really no reason not to bring them all back.
I thought about adding Monster, but I didn't think anyone in their right mind would vote for him.

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11-13-2009, 12:44 PM
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Primeau, Wallin, Exellby, Van Ryan, and Toskala are no brainers. Something tells me that 4 of the 5 will be traded (excluding Van Ryan because of injury) before or at the trade deadline.

As for the others, Stempniak and Poni may be traded but if not they have shown thus far to be good enough players to play on a rebuilding team. Others like Kulemin, Tlusty, Stajan, White and Mitchell are players I would keep unless they are packaged to get better younger players.

If Toronto acquires a top line center this year or next, Stajan is your prototypical 3rd line center. Why is everyone so down on this guy. He is a keeper in my books. But if we can get something of value for him I would do it to give Bozak a chance.

Lineup next year:

Kessel- Savard/Marleau - Kovalchuk
Tlusty- Grabovski - Kulemin
Hanson- Bozak - Stalberg
Orr- Mitchell - Blake

Kaberle-Komisarek
Schenn- Beachemin
White- Gunnerson

Gustovfsson
McDonald

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11-13-2009, 12:49 PM
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Lee Stempniak - he is only decent on the point of the pp and other teams are starting to figure this out. when hes not on the point he is average at best. he is going to want at least the same money or more. imo he can be replaced for cheaper with someone like hanson and a defenceman that can shoot

Matt Stajan- i prefer him to mitchell but i am indifferent. i think we should only keep one or the other. mitchell seems to be more highly regarded by management and probably will be cheaper.

Wayne Primeau- we might actually need a veteran on the team, he is a good teammate, liked by management and cheap 4th liner. imo he stays.

Jamal Mayers- byebye

Rickard Wallin- i agree that he is replaceable but depending on if we can sign a significant free agent he might stay. he is cheap, reliable and a solid 4th liner imo.

Mike Van Ryn- when he plays he is a good defenceman however he is always injured. at this stage now that we have a lot of depth i dont see him being resigned

Garnett Exelby- if gunnarsson works out he will be gone, if gunnar needs another year i can see him getting a 1 year deal on the cheap.

Vesa Toskala-there is no way he is resigned. if the monster works out we dont need a $4 mill backup and if the monster does not work out we already know vesa is not our guy. backup money is better spent on someone like johnny mac

poni- will be resigned

kulemin - will be resigned

white - will be resigned


im hopeful we can get something along the lines of marleau or savard in the off season (doubtful but we can dream!!)

something like:

poni marleau/savard kessel
stalberg grabs kadri
hagman bozak/mitchell hanson
primeau wallin orr

(if bozak can play we dont need to resign wallin)
(blake eating a burkie dog or dare i dream traded)


kabs komi
beauch whitey
finger schenn
gunnarsson/ xlb

(if gunnarsson is borderline i would rather him play 1 more year for the marlies and develop and keep xlb on a 1 year deal as the 7th)

monster
j mac

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11-13-2009, 12:57 PM
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I'm hoping that Burke is trying to trade everyone on that list

If he doesn't get any value for them I wouldn't bring back
Mayers, Primeau, Wallin, MVR, Toskala, cause they have to value

If poni resigns for reasonable could have value

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11-13-2009, 01:09 PM
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I like most of our UFAs - but being in a capworld means knowing when to let go of players that are easily replaceable by cheaper players in the system already.....and while I like all of Stajan, Poni, and even Stemp to some degree, replacing them with the cheaper Stalberg, Tlusty, and Kadri is the smart thing to do - and saves us money to allow us to spend money on buying an impact 1st line free agent, not 2nd liners like the guys we're losing.

As for guys like Toskala, Exelby, Mayers, Primeau - they're all crap, and no chance we should re-sign any of them.

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11-13-2009, 01:23 PM
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Not sure where that's coming from.

You think they will only change 3 players from this year to next and you speak of realism?
Kadri wont make it because he is not tearing it up like everyone expected. Look at burkes record. Getzlaf Ryan Perry were all given alot of time to develop they were not just thrown in. Kadri will spend next season in the AHL. Bozak Stalberg Hanson will again have to outplay the vets. Be realistic the leafs will not get a number 1 center. We will prob be getting a 2nd liner 3rd liner and burke wil try to trade that is it.

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11-13-2009, 01:36 PM
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Kadri wont make it because he is not tearing it up like everyone expected. Look at burkes record. Getzlaf Ryan Perry were all given alot of time to develop they were not just thrown in. Kadri will spend next season in the AHL. Bozak Stalberg Hanson will again have to outplay the vets. Be realistic the leafs will not get a number 1 center. We will prob be getting a 2nd liner 3rd liner and burke wil try to trade that is it.
Not sure if you're quoting me by accident. Your posts have nothing to do with what you're quoting.

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11-13-2009, 02:32 PM
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We've got a lot of players on the roster approaching free agency. Which of the following players would you trade at TDD or just let walk come July 1st?
you should have asked who would you keep ...far less clicking

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I'd only keep Kulemin, Tlusty, White...and maybe Poni, but still unsure about him.

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Isn't this a thread for after the season is over?

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Yes, but I also listed Wallin and Exelby as maybes.

Kovalchuk, Frolov, Jokinen >>Poni
I wouldn't mind Exelby coming back IF they had plans to move one of Komi or Beach in the off season. I wouldn't mind them running Gunnarson as the sixth dman next year. I also wouldn't mind them making a move on Frolov or Jokinen as long as the contracts weren't crazy. I don't see us having a shot at Kovi as much as I'd like that. My preference would be Savard out of any UFA to be.

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Honestly, none of the forward line players should be resigned at this point. When the Leafs top forward (Mikhail Grabovski) is the top scorer at 91st overall in the NHL scoring leaders as of this post, something is truly wrong with this team.

Except for Phil Kessel, none of these forwards can finish their shots to put it in the back of the net. How many times do we have to watch Lee Stempniak with room to shoot from 10 feet only to miss the ENTIRE net on numerous occasions??

Even Nik Kulemin who we had high hopes for is not the type of player people envisioned him becoming when he was drafted by Toronto.

Beware of any player like Patrick Marleau that will put up big numbers during their contract years. Of course players like Marleau are going to be in the higher scoring bracket when their future earnings are on the line. Once that extension is signed, they disappear. There is a reason why San Jose stripped him from his Captaincy.

At this point the Maple Leafs need to get rid of their entire UFA roster if possible. If they have to keep any players, at least retain Ponikarovsky or Ian White, everyone else should be traded for assets if possible.

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Oops, chose who I would re-sign: Tlusty, White, Kulemin, Mitchell and Wallin

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here is my list of players that shouldn't be resigned.

Matt Stajan - too damn soft
Rickard Wallin - decent defensive player but is an offensive blackhole.
Jamal Mayers - role player past his prime
Wayne Primeau - role player past his prime
Garnett Exelby - too many defensive mistakes
Vesa Toskala - not worth the money he makes & not really reliable

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here is my list of players that shouldn't be resigned.

Matt Stajan - too damn soft
Rickard Wallin - decent defensive player but is an offensive blackhole.
Jamal Mayers - role player past his prime
Wayne Primeau - role player past his prime
Garnett Exelby - too many defensive mistakes
Vesa Toskala - not worth the money he makes & not really reliable
completely agree with your assessment.

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