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11-13-2009, 07:53 PM
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I think the oilers should just give toronto wat they really want already. That is a home town kid with some upside. You switch Cogliano for sully and you got a deal. Cogliano will finally get some top six minutes and could finally take the next step or crumble under the pressure of the most insane hockey market in the world. Either way i think at the moment both Brule and Gagner bring more to the table than Cogliano, unless he grows a few inches and gets stronger and plays alot grittier, as well maintain his speed. Thats the only way would i sign Cogs long term, make him the Buds problem and or solution.
I dont know if I would trade Cogliano either.. maybe cause im not a fan of Matt Stajan at all.. I would definetly rather have Cogs than him.

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11-14-2009, 12:13 AM
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I have no interest in moving Tlusty. This trade doesn't make either team any better then they are today.

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I love how oiler fans are dumping on POS--yet he has 12pts in 19 games

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From an Oilers POV, my main interest from TO would be...

1. Ponikarovsky
2. Stajan
3. White

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O'Sullivan
Gilbert

I doubt Burke would be interested in bringing in two butter soft players though.

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11-14-2009, 08:13 AM
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If O'Sullivan is a bust then why do you Leaf fans want him? Give us a break. Your team has been just as disappointing as ours this year. The only difference is we're disappointed by injuries.

O'Sullivan hasn't been scoring, but he's worked his but off. We really liked the chemstry he had on the 3rd line with Stone and Comrie and that's where he'll play when Stone is back.

In the meantime, you guys can feel free to make proposals which will save your team from giving Boston the 1st overall pick. I wish you luck.

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11-14-2009, 11:12 AM
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If O'Sullivan is a bust then why do you Leaf fans want him? Give us a break. Your team has been just as disappointing as ours this year. The only difference is we're disappointed by injuries.

O'Sullivan hasn't been scoring, but he's worked his but off. We really liked the chemstry he had on the 3rd line with Stone and Comrie and that's where he'll play when Stone is back.

In the meantime, you guys can feel free to make proposals which will save your team from giving Boston the 1st overall pick. I wish you luck.
It was a Bruins fan that called him a bust.

Pull your head out of the sand before you start indiscriminately dumping on the wrong people.

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11-14-2009, 11:53 AM
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O'Sullivan is better and has more value than Stajan.
Last two seasons:

O'Sullivan:
2009-10 Edmonton NHL 19 3 9 12 -5
2008-09 Total LA/Edm NHL 81 16 27 43

Stajan
2009-10 Toronto NHL 16 3 7 10 -7
2008-09 Toronto NHL 76 15 40 55 -4

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11-14-2009, 12:55 PM
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Last two seasons:

O'Sullivan:
2009-10 Edmonton NHL 19 3 9 12 -5
2008-09 Total LA/Edm NHL 81 16 27 43

Stajan
2009-10 Toronto NHL 16 3 7 10 -7
2008-09 Toronto NHL 76 15 40 55 -4
There's more to value of a player than stats, O'Sullivan plays PK, PP and can play all forward positions. He's also younger than Stajan.

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11-14-2009, 01:01 PM
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There's more to value of a player than stats, O'Sullivan plays PK, PP and can play all forward positions. He's also younger than Stajan.
O'Sullivan has not deleveloped into the player he was suppose to. And Stajan also can play PK and PP.

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O'Sullivan has not deleveloped into the player he was suppose to. And Stajan also can play PK and PP.
Yet he's around the same value of Stajan if not better.

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Yet he's around the same value of Stajan if not better.
I would rather have a player like POS rather than Stajan, dont get me wrong i like Stajan, but if i can get a player like POS i take it.

However i would not give up Tlusty in the deal for him how about a player like Boyce

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From an Oilers POV, my main interest from TO would be...

1. Ponikarovsky
2. Stajan
3. White

For

O'Sullivan
Gilbert

I doubt Burke would be interested in bringing in two butter soft players though.
Even though I'm not a fan of Stajan and doubt Poni's ability to keep up his pace of scoring goals, Edmonton would have to jump on this deal. I doubt Toronto would make it, as well.

I just like the deal because it gives us more cap space after this season.(6.925M if we don't resign any of these guys) I couldn't see us holding onto Stajan or White(He's playing well but we've got enough d-men coming up in the system.)... but they're going RFA, so they might land Poni's size, scoring(if he kept it up) and physical play would likely have Tambo trying to resign him and play 2nd line LW.

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11-14-2009, 01:16 PM
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From an Oilers POV, my main interest from TO would be...

1. Ponikarovsky
2. Stajan
3. White

For

O'Sullivan
Gilbert

I doubt Burke would be interested in bringing in two butter soft players though.
This would not be a good deal at all for Toronto because Gilbert has aroud the same value of white and O'Sullivan is not worth Stajan and Pono

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Patrick O' Sullivan




Matt Stajan

Jiri Tlusty

Maybe some late round picks going either way to even it out?

I understand some Oiler fans are split between Sully and Cogs given the cap & the list of RFAs the oilers have at the end of the season. Matt Stajan may be an effective 3rd line center for the Oil and Jiri Tlusty mat light it up with fellow country-man Ales Hemsky if he begins to display some of the potential skill he has at the highest level. Whadda ya think?
let me fix it
Toronto gets Ales Hemsky,Sheldon Souray
Edmonton gets Tomas Kaberle,Jiri Tlusty,Jason Blake

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let me fix it
Toronto gets Ales Hemsky,Sheldon Souray
Edmonton gets Tomas Kaberle,Jiri Tlusty,Jason Blake
Throw in Kessel and a few million dollars in cap space and you've got a deal.

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This would not be a good deal at all for Toronto because Gilbert has aroud the same value of white and O'Sullivan is not worth Stajan and Pono
Now Gilbert has been pretty crappy this year.. but he has alot more value than White does..

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What? Hell no.

Why in the world do people want to trade Tlusty?

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Yes a 2nd rounder who's put up 50 points is a bust as for the deal...no.
Who? Stajan?

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Now Gilbert has been pretty crappy this year.. but he has alot more value than White does..
Why?

White is a year younger than Gilbert.

Gilbert had 33 points and was a - 6 as a 24 year old. White had 26 and was a +6 as a 24 year old (i.e., last season).

Gilbert had 45 points and was a +6 as a 25 year old (i.e., last season). White currently has 10 points in 17 games (on pace for 48) and is a +3.

Brian Burke said today that he's been our best defenseman. Ron Wilson said at the end of last season that White was our best defenseman.


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Now Gilbert has been pretty crappy this year.. but he has alot more value than White does..
No he doesn't. He doesn't have alot more value. Gilbert makes 4m and white makes .850M. He has been good defensively and offensively. Gilbert on the other hand. is struggling this year. That does't mean he is crap, it means his value is lower than what it was. We will not give up White for Gilbert in a straight up trade.

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What? Hell no.

Why in the world do people want to trade Tlusty?



Who? Stajan?
He's one of our very few trading chips with more value than expiring contracts, even if some folks think a 20/21 year old scoring a PPG at a level one step lower than the NHL is a bust..

Tlusty also has no affiliation with Burke & given the status of some potential UFAs he may be the best trading chip in a quantity for quality deal.

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Why?

White is a year younger than Gilbert.

Gilbert had 20 points and was a - 6 as a 24 year old. White had 26 and was a +6 as a 24 year old (i.e., last season).

Gilbert had 40 points and was a +6 as a 25 year old (i.e., last season). White currently has 10 points in 17 games (on pace for 48) and is a +3.

Brian Burke said today that he's been our best defenseman. Ron Wilson said at the end of last season that White was our best defenseman.
When did they stop counting Gilbert's goals as points?

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Ron Wilson has a serious hate on for Matt Stajan. That being said, guess who was out last night taking every faceoff for the Leafs in the last minute of the game VS Chigo. Stajan is a FA at the end of this year. I don't think POS is (correct me if I'm wrong). They are very similar. Both 2nd rounders. Both 50 point guys. That's it. 50 point guys. I'd do the deal just because i doubt the Leafs will sign Stajan after this year. As long as you take Tlusty out. Hell we haven't even given the guy a chance yet. Put him on a line with The Thrill and see how he does first. If he busts, deal him or bury him in the "A".

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11-14-2009, 06:59 PM
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Now Gilbert has been pretty crappy this year.. but he has alot more value than White does..
Homer alert.

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Patrick O'Sullivan- 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m) 190 lb

Jiri Tlusty- 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) 209 lb

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Why?

White is a year younger than Gilbert.

Gilbert had 33 points and was a - 6 as a 24 year old. White had 26 and was a +6 as a 24 year old (i.e., last season).

Gilbert had 45 points and was a +6 as a 25 year old (i.e., last season). White currently has 10 points in 17 games (on pace for 48) and is a +3.

Brian Burke said today that he's been our best defenseman. Ron Wilson said at the end of last season that White was our best defenseman.
Fixed the bold for you. You should also keep in mind Gilbert stayed in College rather than jumping to the NHL...that's the reason for the age discrep. Take a look at Gilbert vs White 1st and 2nd years and you get a different picture.

White went from 26 to 21 points while Gilbert went from 33 to 45 points. White's +/- went from +8 to -9 back to +6 Gilbert went from -6 to +6. Not quite the same picture you're trying to paint. Gilbert improved from his 1st to second year and had more points than White in both seasons. In fact White has yet to get as many points as Gilbert did in his first full NHL season.

You're projecting 48 points for White, but his highest career total so far is 26. That's a rather substantial jump, but I guess at one point last season Marty Reasoner was on pace for 82 goals so we all know how accurate projections are when you simply mulitple near the beginning of the season. Leaf fans should be happy for White to hit the mid 30's ths is season as that would show significant development over last season. Just as I wouldn't expect Gilbert to get over 53 points once he settles iinto his game again, just like last year.

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