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11-14-2009, 08:59 PM
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Look at the bright side?

After this year:

Toskala- 4 mil
Van Ryn- 3 mil
Wallin- 0.8 mil
Mayers- 1.3 mil
Stajan- 1.75 mil
Primeau- 1.4 mil
Poni - 2.1 mil
Stempniak- 2.5

These players are off the books. That's about 17 million off the books.

Hypothetically, we can say that:

-Toskala can bring us a 3rd round pick at the TD (at best)
-Mayers can bring us a 5/6th round pick
-Stajan can bring us a 2nd round pick (possibly another conditional?)
-Poni can bring us a 2nd round pick + a conditional pick
-Stemps can also bring us a 2nd round pick (at best)

With the 17 million dollars in cap space, Burke can:

-Resign RFA Kulemin for approximately 1.5 mil
-Resign RFA Mitchell for approximately 1.5 mil
-Resign RFA White for approximately 2.5 mil
-Resign RFA Gustavsson for approximately 2.5 mil

That leaves 9 million dollars in cap space left.

With that money, we can potentially court FA's such as:

Kovalchuk, Marleau, Savard, Martin, Frolov, Svatos, Hamhuis, Bourque, Michalek, Lebda

All this being said hopefully we see more skill on this team next year.

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11-14-2009, 09:06 PM
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The biggest brightside is at least Kessel is playing or producing about as well as you'd want a first overall pick to perform for you. As for the UFAs, I'd love Kovalchuk but I don't know how hard it will be to convince someone like that to come to a rebuilding situation.

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11-14-2009, 09:12 PM
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I'm starting to thing that Burke is not trading ****. He is under the illusion that this team is a Stanley Cup contender. Like the mad scientist that doesn't realize that his master plan is a failure.

This team is going to ****.

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11-14-2009, 09:15 PM
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"Always look at the bright side of life"

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11-14-2009, 09:21 PM
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What bright side? I didn't get the memo informing me that Burke beat Sutter in an arm-wrestle between the second and third period thereby winning Iginla, Boumeester and Phaneuf fair and square.
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11-14-2009, 09:25 PM
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What bright side? I didn't get the memo informing me that Burke beat Sutter in an arm-wrestle between the second and third period thereby winning Iginla, Boumeester and Phaneuf fair and square.
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Maybe you should read the thread before you make a useless post.

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11-14-2009, 09:26 PM
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We need to make a big splash this summer. Cant stand this mess. Cant we just rebuild the old fashioned way?

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11-14-2009, 09:26 PM
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Other than Kovalchuk, I don't see any of those guys as being huge difference makers for this franchise. And I think the chances of him coming here are essentially zero.

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11-14-2009, 09:27 PM
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He forgot to include the values of Fletcher's buy-outs. The original post is inaccurate.
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11-14-2009, 09:29 PM
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Most of the thin free agent pack will re-sign or not want to play for a bottom feeder at this point in their careers. We won't be getting any elite talent via free agency this season, don't set yourself up for a letdown. This free agent pack isn't very strong outside for a few guys that will likely stay put.

Odds are we'll end up signing some second tier player to a ridiculous overpayment and expect elite point production out of him, like we have done many times in the past. Free agency is double edged sword these days. Bad choices can cripple a team in terms of the cap. Hopefully Burke plays things safe.

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As for the UFAs, I'd love Kovalchuk but I don't know how hard it will be to convince someone like that to come to a rebuilding situation.
We're not a rebuilding team. We're just not very good, and a bottom feeder at that. He's not coming here, and if Savard values winning he won't either. Rebuilding teams have draft picks and use the draft to improve over multiple seasons. We have zero chance of landing Kovalchuk. He spent his entire career on a crappy team going through multiple rebuilds. If he goes to the market he's going to pick a situation where he can win now.

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11-14-2009, 09:34 PM
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He forgot to include the values of Fletcher's buy-outs. The original post is inaccurate.
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Actually it is accurate. If you add up the cap hits that I listed, you get about 17 million dollars.

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11-14-2009, 09:37 PM
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After this year:

Toskala- 4 mil
Van Ryn- 3 mil
Wallin- 0.8 mil
Mayers- 1.3 mil
Stajan- 1.75 mil
Primeau- 1.4 mil
Poni - 2.1 mil
Stempniak- 2.5

These players are off the books. That's about 17 million off the books.

Hypothetically, we can say that:

-Toskala can bring us a 3rd round pick at the TD (at best)
-Mayers can bring us a 5/6th round pick
-Stajan can bring us a 2nd round pick (possibly another conditional?)
-Poni can bring us a 2nd round pick + a conditional pick
-Stemps can also bring us a 2nd round pick (at best)


With the 17 million dollars in cap space, Burke can:

-Resign RFA Kulemin for approximately 1.5 mil
-Resign RFA Mitchell for approximately 1.5 mil
-Resign RFA White for approximately 2.5 mil
-Resign RFA Gustavsson for approximately 2.5 mil

That leaves 9 million dollars in cap space left.

With that money, we can potentially court FA's such as:

Kovalchuk, Marleau, Savard, Martin, Frolov, Svatos, Hamhuis, Bourque, Michalek, Lebda

All this being said hopefully we see more skill on this team next year.
You are really overvaluing those players worth

Only the Ponikarovsky one seems possible

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11-14-2009, 09:50 PM
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I think that GMs will go back to their old ways of trading high picks at the deadline. Last year noone wanted to miss out on that 1st round.

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11-14-2009, 09:51 PM
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We need to make a big splash this summer. Cant stand this mess. Cant we just rebuild the old fashioned way?
Let's say we did get the first overall pick this season. And we select whoever. At best, they would produce as well as Kessel is right now. The Leafs are still as **** as they are now. Replacing Kessel with the first overall pick is a lateral swap. There are so many more problems with this team.

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11-14-2009, 09:57 PM
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17 mill off the books + if we can get rid of finger and blake, that can be much more.

This is far from a 'bright side', its just what happens after a season, players come off the books. It would be nice if the leafs actually went out and got Kovalchuk but other then that, there are no other players that can really make a huge difference for the leafs.

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11-14-2009, 10:29 PM
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17 mill off the books + if we can get rid of finger and blake, that can be much more.

This is far from a 'bright side', its just what happens after a season, players come off the books. It would be nice if the leafs actually went out and got Kovalchuk but other then that, there are no other players that can really make a huge difference for the leafs.
it's definitely a bright side. maybe we all can't see it in November, but the team has been positioned from years ago to be able to have the cap space that we will have this summer. Burke can start to really shed the team of past regimes and truly put his stamp on the team.

are you ready for it? 'there's always next year....'

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11-14-2009, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor Truculence View Post
After this year:

Toskala- 4 mil
Van Ryn- 3 mil
Wallin- 0.8 mil
Mayers- 1.3 mil
Stajan- 1.75 mil
Primeau- 1.4 mil
Poni - 2.1 mil
Stempniak- 2.5

These players are off the books. That's about 17 million off the books.

Hypothetically, we can say that:

-Toskala can bring us a 3rd round pick at the TD (at best)
-Mayers can bring us a 5/6th round pick
-Stajan can bring us a 2nd round pick (possibly another conditional?)
-Poni can bring us a 2nd round pick + a conditional pick
-Stemps can also bring us a 2nd round pick (at best)


With the 17 million dollars in cap space, Burke can:

-Resign RFA Kulemin for approximately 1.5 mil
-Resign RFA Mitchell for approximately 1.5 mil
-Resign RFA White for approximately 2.5 mil
-Resign RFA Gustavsson for approximately 2.5 mil

That leaves 9 million dollars in cap space left.

With that money, we can potentially court FA's such as:

Kovalchuk, Marleau, Savard, Martin, Frolov, Svatos, Hamhuis, Bourque, Michalek, Lebda

All this being said hopefully we see more skill on this team next year.
Your dreaming if you think that Leafs are going to get that kind of a return for those players. Absolutely dreaming.

Players at the end of their contracts, are essentially worthless at the trade deadline unless they are impact players that can help a team out for the playoffs - none of the above players are impact players, and none of the above players are good enough to help a playoff team out (with the exception of perhaps Ponikarovsky). So of that hypothetical situation, Ponikarovsky's return for a 2nd rounder is the only realistic possibility. Now THAT'S best case scenario.

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11-14-2009, 10:52 PM
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There is no bright side...this team sucks...at winning

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11-14-2009, 11:17 PM
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Let's say we did get the first overall pick this season. And we select whoever. At best, they would produce as well as Kessel is right now. The Leafs are still as **** as they are now. Replacing Kessel with the first overall pick is a lateral swap. There are so many more problems with this team.
Except in that scenario the Leafs would have the production + a few million more in cap space to help address the other issues.

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11-14-2009, 11:31 PM
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I was just thinking.....although I believe that Kovy will re-sign in atlanta....and that toronto;s record ought not to make the team attractive to UFAS....

Toronto, having no captain, and 10 million dollars to spend on a ufa....well....I would not be surprised to see things stay that way until Kovy signs somewhere.

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11-14-2009, 11:39 PM
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teams will pick up players at the deadine for picks, even middling players (old marchment, old wesley, cale hulse, brad ference) get 2-5ths.

I could see:
Poni: 2+4
Stajan: 3rd
Exelby: 4th
Mayers or primeau: 5th
Toskala: barring a huge streak is worthless.
wallin, maybe a 5th.
Stempniak, probably a 3rd.


That is IF burke tries to trade them. Honestly regardless of what he says his intentions are, I think burke is going to do whatever he can to make sure that boston doesnt get a lottery pick. if he thinks that poni, stemps and stajan are the way to do that then he will..... Honestly I think burke is more likely to pick up an overpriced contract (like a briere or giggy) than sell off picks.

Honeslty in my mind the ideal situation would be that the leafs get to the 8th-12th pick spot, pick up a couple of mid round picks.....

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Michalek-Savard-Kessel looks nice

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Raycrofts buyout is off the books after this year, too, so that's another 0.733 mill

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I really think Stajan can get us a 2nd rounder. I mean Dom Moore got a 2nd rounder last year for gods sake.

Poni probably a 2nd +5th/6th

Stemps a 3rd/4th becasue of his salary.

The rest of the scrubs will be late rounders.

Why can't Burke not send Blake to the minors after this season to get his contract off the books?? He comes in saying he's not afraid to send a player down. IMO Blake's contract needs to get off the cap so that money can be spent on someone decent.

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it's definitely a bright side. maybe we all can't see it in November, but the team has been positioned from years ago to be able to have the cap space that we will have this summer. Burke can start to really shed the team of past regimes and truly put his stamp on the team.

are you ready for it? 'there's always next year....'
It's hard to buy into that logic when the Leafs have money every year, like this past summer, when we bought ourselves two defensive defensemen. Why didn't they target the skill guys?

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