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11-14-2009, 10:04 PM
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Jacques Martin

Was this guy not brought in to bring some structure to this team, something that Carbonneau didn't bring?

Was this guy not brought in to help insulate Carey Price/Jaro Halak and not let them face as many shots?

JM has ruined almost every young player we have. Every single one of them has regressed. Sure, they didn't have the best of years last year but the whole team didn't do anything. Lapierre played the best hockey of his life, AK put up 50 pts, Latendresse could have potted 20 had it not been for his injury, SK was arguably our best player when he first got called up and in the playoffs when we beat Boston.

Now you look at this year -- Latendresse is absolutely useless, Kostitsyn is absolutely useless (Although, he is playing much better hockey now), Lapierre is emberassing, SK is rotting in the minors (thanks to JM), Patches has been invisible 98% of our games.

To me, the problem isn't our players, it's not their lack of effort -- it's the coach.

I've said it since day 1 that JM isn't the right guy for this team and 20 games later, he is showing exactly why he isn't the right guy for this team.

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k you should send him an e-mail.

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k you should send him an e-mail.
I'll leave that up to you, because judging by your post count, you don't have much of a life.

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you can't argue with Tray4Adams ..he is bringing up a good point.

However Gainey won't fire Martin cause it's all Gainey's problem to begin with. He has to get fired first and you have to bring in a guy who will have the "right" to fire Martin if he wants to and bring in his own guys.

4 yr contract for Martin ..wow

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Didn't the devils just win another game??? Their coach wanted to sign with us if I'm not wrong =)

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Good post thats whats going through my mind too ...under Carbonneau we looked clueless out there, and now even under a well experienced coached, well were the same thing

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i think it's a little early and unfair to be at Martin's throat...

A- the team has suffered a great deal of injuries
B- he wasn't given the best personnel to work with in the first place
C- he took over a team that had no existing internal leadership, and lost it's on ice leader during the first game.
D- the young players that needed to perform well have almost all regressed, and that can't be blamed on a coach who has had ~2 months to work with them... that is a reflection of how they've been groomed as pro's, and how the team has struggled at developing/monitoring players as they transition to the pro game.


I'm often accused of being to critical of the organization, but in this case I think it is too soon to be handing out a failing grade to a coach that hasn't been given much to work with.

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you can't argue with Tray4Adams ..he is bringing up a good point.

However Gainey won't fire Martin cause it's all Gainey's problem to begin with. He has to get fired first and you have to bring in a guy who will have the "right" to fire Martin if he wants to and bring in his own guys.

4 yr contract for Martin ..wow
Oh definately.

Gainey can't fire another coach, he's been through too many in his tenure here. It'll be BG that loses his job before JM.

Or he could bring back Carbo...we're still paying him for another couple years, aren't we?

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remove Markov from a Carbo coached team

see results

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This is not JM's fault... this team does not have the talent to challenge - why is the coach to blame? Let the team finish near the bottom and draft an excellent propect this year - no need to pretend that coaching is the reason for the poor results.

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Gainey put together this team, Martin has trash to work with.

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Gainey put together this team, Martin has trash to work with.
and the last team that got Carbo fired ...so .....

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Didn't the devils just win another game??? Their coach wanted to sign with us if I'm not wrong =)
Parise says hi, 2 times. (the player who is the franchise in New Jersey, and the player we could have drafted.. again we know the story)

I have defended Gainey the whole time, i cant anymore, the moves done this offseason was ridiculous, on paper its look good, work ethic as been brought, but.. what about size up front??? what about a second line to support pleks and Kost (who seriously sucks big time right now) ??? what about the salaries????? what about pleky at the end of the season??? what about the future??? what about the quality players being dropped like garbage????


I dont care if we play 2 games under .500 or 1 game above, this team as no hope, what a pathetic defensive player Bergeron is, he isnt worth half of his salary.


Gainey as too go and i hope the Molson`s brings someone who isnt afraid to take the phone and create his oppurtinity, we dont need someone who is waiting on the dance floor to be escorted by the first guy who needs a good ****. its funny to ear bob say it takes 2 to dance. its takes 1 who will take you arm and bring you to dream land, Gainey is just no in anymore.

sorry this isnt the game we play now bobby. if you cant step up, step out.


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7 AHLers in the lineup and some of them playing on the top lines. Not one coach would look good with this team.

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This is not JM's fault... this team does not have the talent to challenge - why is the coach to blame?
The talent level of this team should provide better results, but much of the talent is underperforming. This may be due to the players, the coaching, a combination of both, but let's stop pretending this team is undertalented. On paper it is better than the 2007-2008 team.

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11-14-2009, 10:31 PM
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I find it unfair to blame martin for the kostitsyns because I think their poor play started last year with that gang relation debacle.

Martin has made it clear that he wants to change the culture of the team, and that's an indirect shot at Carbo. Normally, the culture isnt changed overnight or without some bumps in the road.

It would be far too early to start questioning this move even if martin had a full deck of cards at this point.

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It would be far too early to start questioning this move even if martin had a full deck of cards at this point.
You are correct, and I do think Martin is light years ahead of Carbo on many fronts.

Doesn't mean I won't be watching closely though. Too many players underperforming and regressing and looking lost right now.

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7 AHLers in the lineup and some of them playing on the top lines. Not one coach would look good with this team.
Who's the seventh?

Pyatt
White
Chipchura
Bergeron
Leach
Carle

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Who's the seventh?

Pyatt
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Bergeron
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Pacioretty, Latendresse. I forgot Carle.

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Martin is not to blame here

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Martin is not the problem right now. Injuries are the problem. Stacked teams can get through injuries, we can't.

But I don't know. Two years ago we had a speedy team and Carbo seemed to figure out a way of capitalizing on it. We don't seem to be using our speed advantage at the forward position effectively of late.

We need to give Martin at least a year before making any conclusive judgments, maybe more.

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Who's the seventh?

Pyatt
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Leach
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Lats and Laps (They are playing like Ahler at the moment lol)

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Parise says hi, 2 times. (the player who is the franchise in New Jersey, and the player we could have drafted.. again we know the story)

I have defended Gainey the whole time, i cant anymore, the moves done this offseason was ridiculous, on paper its look good, work ethic as been brought, but.. what about size up front??? what about a second line to support pleks and Kost (who seriously sucks big time right now) ??? what about the salaries????? what about pleky at the end of the season??? what about the future??? what about the quality players being dropped like garbage????


I dont care if we play 2 games under .500 or 1 game above, this team as no hope, what a pathetic defensive player Bergeron is, he isnt worth half of his salary.


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sorry this isnt the game we play now bobby. if you cant step up, step out.
hi ear you man.

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The timing of this thread is a testament to the original poster's objectivity.

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Parise says hi, 2 times. (the player who is the franchise in New Jersey, and the player we could have drafted.. again we know the story)

I have defended Gainey the whole time, i cant anymore, the moves done this offseason was ridiculous, on paper its look good, work ethic as been brought, but.. what about size up front???
I suppose Gainey ought to have been smart and identified the size issue by acquiring/originally drafting the aforementioned Parise.

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