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11-18-2009, 11:18 PM
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It's been a while since I was close to the situation and I don't know much of the details, but this saddens me. Dylan Taylor is a fine individual who would give his left nut to achieve success for the UPEI program. As mentioned, he played with the team for four years and was captain. He considered it a privilege to coach that team and was deeply passionate about restoring the team to past glory. I have all the respect in the world for him.

Some people will point to his record and say the team only made the playoffs once in four years. Well, he was left with virtually nothing. The team was just coming off a high cycle, Joel Ward had just left and pretty much all the team's other talent had one year remaining. He had to start from scratch and it's tough to find good recruits for a team that's years from contending.

Once things started to move, Dylan was able to bring in two NHL draft picks on the blueline (Aaron Dawson and Bret Nasby - who Florida actually wanted to re-sign), along with forwards like Justin Donati, Tyler Donati (had to redshirt and then was picked up by an ECHL team along with Justin), Matt Carter, Howie Martin, Jordan Knox and the list goes on. He also recruited what some people consider the top goalie tandem in the AUS.

His wife also gave birth to their first child last year and he was still able to recruit what looks like a pretty strong class over the off-season.

I don't know what the fallout of all this will be in terms of team performance, but Dylan built a team capable of running with the top horses in the AUS. It's a shame that the players were able to force him out and he wasn't able to see it to fruition. I wish him and his family all the best.

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11-18-2009, 11:46 PM
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This is strange. I have been on teams where lots of guys hated the coach but when this happens mid-season, and after he's already been there a few years, is unprecedented.

But it is very early in the year and a new coach would be able to turn things around.
Wonder if Al MacAdam might be interested? He applied for the director of hockey job when it opened up at UPEI (He lost out to Mike Kelly who then bolted after one year). Al has considerable experience coaching at the university level (11 years at STU) and you'd think with his pedigree, he'd be well received at UPEI. He's from PEI, he played at a high level in the NHL, and he's a no-nonsese guy who could probably take on even the most annoying of players. Al has a way of cultivating respect, he's tough but not over the top, as Dylan apparently was. Al would probably tell Annear to blow it out his ear, but geez, he'd be a great fit. Not many others who could go in there right now and make people forget about the crap that went down with that group.

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11-19-2009, 09:58 AM
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Al would be a good fit. Who knows, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tucker take over permanently.

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11-19-2009, 10:27 AM
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Al would be a good fit. Who knows, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tucker take over permanently.
Pardon my ignorance, but who is Tucker?

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11-19-2009, 10:51 AM
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Dave Flanagan. He's the only assistant who remained.

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11-19-2009, 11:01 AM
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Dave Flanagan. He's the only assistant who remained.
Didn't know Flanagan went by that nickname. My understanding was that they were hoping a couple of the assistant coaches would reconsider. Mind you, once you've shown your support for Dylan, it'd be hard to back away from that. Hopefully the Panthers can settle down and start playing the kind of hockey that people were expecting from the outset. Really, sad, though, to see Taylor left out in the cold when he had an obvious passion to see the program evolve. But if you lose the team, pretty tough to keep it going. If Annear is reading, give Al MacAdam a call. He'd be a credit to your school. He's also an UPEI alumnus, former NHL star and a class act.

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11-19-2009, 11:06 AM
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Yeah, and Gordie and Mike had both been with Dylan for a while. It's not like they didn't share his vision for the team.

The divide-and-conquer thing just makes the players look more like prima donnas.

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11-19-2009, 11:15 AM
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Yeah, and Gordie and Mike had both been with Dylan for a while. It's not like they didn't share his vision for the team.

The divide-and-conquer thing just makes the players look more like prima donnas.
And really Lewis94, these players don't have a lot of collatoral. It's not like they've dominated the league over the last little while. But you know, it's easier to replace one guy, i.e. the coach, than cut 20 hockey players. But a word to the wise for the next guy taking over: some of these rotten apples have to be weeded out. You know what they say: one rotten apple can poison the entire bunch.

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11-19-2009, 01:11 PM
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Yep, and someone made a great point on the Guardian comments too - if the players disliked Dylan that much and the environment was so poisonous, how do you explain all the great recruits he's brought in the last 2-3 years? Half of recruiting is talking to guys who played with your guys in junior. Most times when I talked to one of the new recruits he'd say that his buddy on the Panthers told him it was a great place to play, he heard good things through word of mouth, yada yada yada.

None of that jives with the rumours going around this week.

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11-19-2009, 01:33 PM
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Yep, and someone made a great point on the Guardian comments too - if the players disliked Dylan that much and the environment was so poisonous, how do you explain all the great recruits he's brought in the last 2-3 years? Half of recruiting is talking to guys who played with your guys in junior. Most times when I talked to one of the new recruits he'd say that his buddy on the Panthers told him it was a great place to play, he heard good things through word of mouth, yada yada yada.

None of that jives with the rumours going around this week.

Half of recruiting is also giving guys money or whatever to get them there. Rumor has it that Knox was thinking of going to another school after he "committed" to Dylan and I think he even told Dylan. Next thing, he's back in the fold. One can assume the Dylan sweetened the pot. Just before the boycott, a UPEI player was shopping himself around the AUS looking for somewhere to play. As far as being a great place to play, that is relative. A guy may think 'this is a great party town' and that's why it's a great place to play. I don't know who these great recruits are that you mention. Hopefully not Coulter, Patterson or MacIssac to name a couple. I think you reap what you sow. When you bring guys in for all the wrong reasons (i.e. money), they are the first ones to bail when things get rough. Having said all this, I would like to see the new coach to bring in 15 or so new guys and tell the rest to take a hike. As bad as Dylan might have been, he deserves better than this and the players are the ones who should pay.

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11-19-2009, 01:57 PM
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By great players, I'm thinking of guys like Donati, Carter, Vitarelli, Martin, Gomes, Scott, Nasby, Dawson, Savage, etc.

I'm not sure how you can assume that money was the only reason some of these guys came. It's well-known that UPEI is at a financial disadvantage when it comes to competing with other AUS schools.

If money is what they were after, some of these guys that were sought after by lots of schools (Donati, Gomes, Sniderman, etc) would have ended up at Moncton or Acadia.

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11-19-2009, 02:44 PM
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By great players, I'm thinking of guys like Donati, Carter, Vitarelli, Martin, Gomes, Scott, Nasby, Dawson, Savage, etc.

I'm not sure how you can assume that money was the only reason some of these guys came. It's well-known that UPEI is at a financial disadvantage when it comes to competing with other AUS schools.

If money is what they were after, some of these guys that were sought after by lots of schools (Donati, Gomes, Sniderman, etc) would have ended up at Moncton or Acadia.
I have to agree with Lewis94. For one thing, I don't think Dylan had access to the kinds of funds you're suggesting. There's also distinct rules of engagement when it comes to stuff like this. Would a young guy like Taylor who played with passion and apparently coaches with passion take the kinds of risks that you're suggesting AUS Fan and face the potential of the program being called out and then what happens. You've got a real mess, with possible repercussions that involve the program itself. I don't thihk a guy who cares that much would allow that to happen potentially to a program he loves. Not to suggest that it's impossible because you never know what it takes sometimes for a player to go to a particular place to play. Recruiting can be an ugly thing, too. But I don't think UPEI has a bad reputation, and don't forget, there's Quebec Major Junior being played there, too, so potential recruits gets a sense of what Charlottetown is all about and the school. the MacLaughlin facility is a great spot, and the school seems to be athletically-friendly. Combine that with a team on the rise and you could see why a kid might be inclined to go there. Obviously there are other ways to entice such as ice-time promises, etc., and perhaps Dylan got himself into trouble making promises he probably couldn't keep. Combine that with an attitude such as a Knox who might be inclined to sell himself to the highest bidder, and suddenly, there's potential for poison. It'll be interesting how this group reacts to playing UNB Friday night. Will they be loose and carefree having suddenly gained their "freedom'' from what they perceived was the evil monster? Or will they quit on themselves much like the did with Taylor. When there's no direction, and nobody accountable, it doesn't take much to sink a rudderless ship.

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11-19-2009, 08:29 PM
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Update 19 Nov

Well Tucker is out, he announced today he is stepping down as well. They announced Forbie McPherson as the interim coach, he is probably a little older than Dylan, played at UNB first, then back to UPEI, I believe he is from here and played his early hockey years here.
I am proud Tucker stood by the others. No jumping to the front when the chance was there. Loyalty first, I like that, and probably a general disgust with supposedly mature players who don't get their way. Not one but FOUR coaches walking out says something.
Look my friends, there is not a coach in the AUS, YES including Gardiner, who will tell you they are not constrained financially. A former and very successful AUS coach told me once, some 75% of his job was fund raising. Forget the "Poor UPEI can't afford things" mentality, Sorry it is just pure nonsense. They can, they have, and they always will compete athletically. Lets just look at what PEI gets in infrastructure. Two new stadiums, one thanks to Canada Games. A new dual arena thanks to the city, along with the pool complex. By the way, the other night, the women panthers played Dal in B, at the same time as the men played X in A. I think from now on, they should switch venues. The women routinely lose in high figures and never once have they started this mutiny stuff. In 1991, a brand new gymnasium complex, the Young (Yung?) Center, thanks to the 1991 Canada Games. Have you been in the Saint Mary's amazing alumni arena lately? Every university in the AUS have their advantages and disadvantages. Any time I go to Moncton for a game, there are a thousand people or more at the game. Saint Mary's had two hundred for their last game. My point is, PEI gets a lot in government support, they are the only university in a population of 140,000, they get a lot of support from the entire island. But that is their advantage, Look at their soccer team. Mens and womens, Outstanding, both of them, 99% Island players, most from Charlottetown alone. They can do it, so can the hockey team. They have first dibs on the Rocket and Caps players, much like SMU does in Halifax with the Mooseheads. Only they have Dal to compete with, Fredericton has two universities in AUS hockey, Moncton are by themeselves, but there are others in NB and they pretty much have to be fluently bilingual or unilingual french speaking. Everyone has their disadvantages and advantages. And if it becomes purely financial, the basis on which these teams operate in the AUS, well my friends, the league will not be around long. There are a lot more reasons for playing.

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11-19-2009, 10:46 PM
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And if it becomes purely financial, the basis on which these teams operate in the AUS, well my friends, the league will not be around long. There are a lot more reasons for playing.

I agree. That was kind of my point in the beginning.

It's good to see Tucker do the right thing. No doubt the players would have liked him to stay around, but they already managed a coup - giving them everything they want would only send a worse message.

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"ditto"
Hey who was that other coach on the Panther bench tonight, there were two.... correct? I didn't see anything about Forbie bringing in an assistant...though it stands to reason.

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11-21-2009, 10:47 AM
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Hey who was that other coach on the Panther bench tonight, there were two.... correct? I didn't see anything about Forbie bringing in an assistant...though it stands to reason.
Mark Rupnow. Former STU Tommie and minor pro player. I believe he might have played with Forbie in Shreveport.

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Oh Yeah OK, I wouldn't recognize him anywhere, but I remember him well from St Thomas; He destroyed us singlehandedly up there one game. He has been over here for a number of years now, was coaching the Eastern KIngs Jr B team in the IJHL, for a few years. He played I think, on that short lived Maritime Senior League - Summerside team as well.

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11-27-2009, 03:34 PM
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Forbes MacPherson

Spoke to Forbes MacPherson earlier this week. He has a lot on his plate but it serious about wanting to make a go of it with the Panthers. They plan to sit down at the end of the season and see if they can make it work long term.
Good credentials: he's a former Panther, a Charlottetown native who grew up when the Panthers were the big game in town and is sincere about wanting to return them to a program of stature.
Didn't realize the position is only part time. That would have some impact on the task, and the calibre of coach you can get in there long term.

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11-30-2009, 06:14 PM
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More UPEI troubles

Got word today from someone very close to the team that a high profile player was allegedly arrested last week for DUI. Looks like the grass hasn't gotten that green yet! Nothing like dealing with legal issues for the Coach Mac P! as a welcome to the new job. wonder if the AD will do anything about this one? As their is an athletic code of ethics.
Also was told that a couple of vets were sat out on the weekend and were not happy about it. Forbie is a solid hockey man, so he is not going to be long in establishing who is in charge, some of the "mutineers" maybe gone before they know it.

Jakob Bundil ( Dylan's last recruit) will be in the lineup against UNB. Also look for Nathan Snowie after Chrsitmas.

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Does the CIS suspend players for such infractions?

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Does the CIS suspend players for such infractions?
First and foremost, it's a legal issue. Suspect the school might have something to say about it relative to the player's continued involvement. But it's not like he's tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs. That's where I think the CIS steps in. Otherwise, I suspect it's a school discipline issue. However you want to look at it, MacPherson doesn't need that headache on top of everything else.
here might be diehards out there who enjoy their favourites hammering the opponent but it does nothing for my viewing pleasure. People want to see two teams giving it their all and if so happens one team is particularly on that night and happens to win big, then so be it. But when one team gives the appearance it doesn't give a damn, that's when the game ceases to be fun. The Panthers were absolutely terrible, they were losing all the battles along the boards, they were taking stupid reaction penalties, they didn't seem with it at all. Savage gave up a couple of softies at the outset, but he didn't lose this game. From the moment they hit the ice, there was no intensity, no caring whether they won or lost, it seemed to this viewer at least. That suggests "character flaw'' and how surprising is that considering all the crap that happened with Taylor and the coaching staff? You could have had Scotty Bowman behind the bench and not win with the effort the players put forward on this night. Forbes MacPherson needs to put him stamp on this team, and if that means addition by subtraction, that's what he needs to do. There were too many guys along for the ride. The MacIsaac kid needs to lighten up as well. Agree with the post that UNB got a little sloppy, but heck, they won the game without surrendering a goal, so "sloppy'' is a relative term. Thought Yeomans played well and deserved the shutout. Good for him. Hopefully Saint Mary's shows up for the game Sunday. If they do, will be entertaining. UNB is the league's premier team, but not unbeatable.


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Tough CHrsitmas break for the Ps, Brett Nasby has decided to leave the team this will sting!
Word is that a leading scorer and one of the goalies is in academic trouble after term 1.
This will not make things easy for coach Forbie.

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Academic "issues" are not a big problem until after the second term. However.....
Any more news on the possible DUI?

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Academic "issues" are not a big problem until after the second term. However.....
Any more news on the possible DUI?

The possible DUI involving a high profile UPEI player will go to court in late January.

In other news, former coach, Dylan Taylor has been hired by Danny Flynn and the Moncton Wildcats to be their advance scout. He will scout opposing teams looking at matchups, systems, etc.

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Academic "issues" are not a big problem until after the second term. However.....
Any more news on the possible DUI?
A few of us in F'ton were wondering the same thing. We guessed that Nasby may have been leaving because of the DUI.

Has anyone else heard of any other second half additons other than Breault and Wright?

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