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11-20-2009, 02:38 PM
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How about Barker for Campoli?

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11-20-2009, 02:44 PM
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How about Barker for Campoli?
Wow I know you are not a big Barker fan but that's just brutal for the Hawks.

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11-20-2009, 02:49 PM
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How about Barker for Campoli?
Done....

What, what's wrong with that deal....it's pretty much Barker for a 1st round pick.

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11-20-2009, 02:50 PM
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Wow I know you are not a big Barker fan but that's just brutal for the Hawks.
Eh, maybe my bias shows a little, but Campoli would be a D-man this team could use, I think he could easily handle Barker's role on tis team at a much cheaper price. Maybe add some picks or prospects on Ottawa's side to even it out a little.

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11-20-2009, 03:06 PM
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What would it cost for Chicago to get Karlsson and Cowen?

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11-20-2009, 03:08 PM
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What would it cost for Chicago to get Karlsson and Cowen?
Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook

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11-20-2009, 03:26 PM
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Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook
lol pretty much!

I don't see Ottawa and Chicago swapping defensemen since Chicago want one of Karlsson and Cowen while Murray would be nuts to trade either.

Besides, Ottawa can't absorb the salary hit unless they move a guy like Cheechoo. Chicago won't be willing to absorb his cap hit since they're trying to shed salary.

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11-20-2009, 03:58 PM
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How about Barker for Campoli?
Wow that's horrible!

I dont like Barker that much but to just give him away

Lee + good pick is a better offer as I dont really care for Campoli

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11-21-2009, 03:20 PM
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oh my god whats wrong with all these trades these days how about something better like mine


to panthers

patrick sharp
dustin byfuglien
Dave Bolland
cristobal huet

to hawks

david booth
weiss
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11-21-2009, 04:13 PM
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lol pretty much!

I don't see Ottawa and Chicago swapping defensemen since Chicago want one of Karlsson and Cowen while Murray would be nuts to trade either.

Besides, Ottawa can't absorb the salary hit unless they move a guy like Cheechoo. Chicago won't be willing to absorb his cap hit since they're trying to shed salary.
i doubt Chi Town would expect to get a prospect of Karlsson or Cowen calibre back for a player like Barker...

It would probably be something like Campoli +Shannon + 3rd or something like that since they need cheap contracts

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11-21-2009, 06:51 PM
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i doubt Chi Town would expect to get a prospect of Karlsson or Cowen calibre back for a player like Barker...

It would probably be something like Campoli +Shannon + 3rd or something like that since they need cheap contracts
Actually they need tagging room (contracts that expire this season). Campoli, Picard, Shannon, Winchester... any of them would serve the purpose.

For example, say we traded Kelly, Campoli and Winchester for Barker... even though the salaries would be basically the same for THIS season, the Hawks free up $1.5m of space for NEXT year (Kelly has $2m on his contract, Campoli & Winchester expire), which would be enough tagging room.

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11-21-2009, 08:21 PM
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i doubt Chi Town would expect to get a prospect of Karlsson or Cowen calibre back for a player like Barker...

It would probably be something like Campoli +Shannon + 3rd or something like that since they need cheap contracts
I think some people have around here have a little too low of an idea of what Barker's value is. He was picked third overall behind Ovechkin and Malkin. He is one of the top defensemen in the league in points per minute played last year and this year. Yes his defensive game needs some work still but he is still very young and is getting better at it. He is great at transition which a lot of teams could use help with. Only on HF is a prospect that has never played in the NHL before worth more than a player like this.

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11-21-2009, 08:25 PM
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I think some people have around here have a little too low of an idea of what Barker's value is. He was picked third overall behind Ovechkin and Malkin. He is one of the top defensemen in the league in points per minute played last year and this year. Yes his defensive game needs some work still but he is still very young and is getting better at it. He is great at transition which a lot of teams could use help with. Only on HF is a prospect that has never played in the NHL before worth more than a player like this.
Beggars can't be choosers

Not that Chicago necessarily needs to trade Barker, but they need to clear cap space, and No one will be offering their top prospect for a player like Barker.

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11-21-2009, 08:47 PM
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Beggars can't be choosers

Not that Chicago necessarily needs to trade Barker, but they need to clear cap space, and No one will be offering their top prospect for a player like Barker.
I'm curious why you think that. Most teams don't have a defensive prospect that has offensive upside to be what Cam Barker is today, let alone what his ceiling is. Why wouldn't they trade a lesser, unproven player for one that is already producing at the NHL level and still has a bunch of upside at age 22? I think you are mistaken.

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11-21-2009, 09:35 PM
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Understatement of the century.

Man this thread is like one giant train wreck, for the most part.
Yeah it is.

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11-21-2009, 10:35 PM
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On the CBC "Hotstove" tonight there was some discussion that Toronto had/is talking to Chicago (as are other teams) and they were hearing the discussion was something like Toronto would be willing to take Sopel off Chicago's hands (because they have the cap space) but they also want a high pick.

For example:

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Sopel
Chicago's 2nd rounder

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A prospect

These are the kind of offers that Chicago can expect as theywon't find ANY GM's that will help them out of their cap situation. That's just the way it is...

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11-21-2009, 11:07 PM
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I'm curious why you think that. Most teams don't have a defensive prospect that has offensive upside to be what Cam Barker is today, let alone what his ceiling is. Why wouldn't they trade a lesser, unproven player for one that is already producing at the NHL level and still has a bunch of upside at age 22? I think you are mistaken.

1. they need to dump salary so ya they are going to wither get prospects, picks or an expiring contract

2. Barker is far from proven still and got a lot of money cause of a mistake made by their GM, 3 mill is a lot for a 22 year old (this isnt a top pairing or top line player)

I wouldnt give Cowen or Karlsson up for him atm and i doubt anyone would give a top prospect away for Barker especially under the circumstance of the hawks

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11-22-2009, 12:25 AM
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What would it cost for Chicago to get Karlsson and Cowen?
Much more than you would like to think.

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11-22-2009, 01:48 AM
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[QUOTE=KwikWit;22248759]On the CBC "Hotstove" tonight there was some discussion that Toronto had/is talking to Chicago (as are other teams) and they were hearing the discussion was something like Toronto would be willing to take Sopel off Chicago's hands (because they have the cap space) but they also want a high pick.

For example:

To Toronto
Sopel
Chicago's 2nd rounder

To Chicago
A prospect

These are the kind of offers that Chicago can expect as theywon't find ANY GM's that will help them out of their cap situation. That's just the way it is...[/QUOTE]



Yes to take Brent Sopel off our hands that would be the offer

Barker , Byfuglien , Versteeg and Sharp would be a bit different

Your take is like someone comparing the Cleveland Browns offense to the Indianapolis Colts offense

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11-22-2009, 01:50 AM
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1. they need to dump salary so ya they are going to wither get prospects, picks or an expiring contract

2. Barker is far from proven still and got a lot of money cause of a mistake made by their GM, 3 mill is a lot for a 22 year old (this isnt a top pairing or top line player)

I wouldnt give Cowen or Karlsson up for him atm and i doubt anyone would give a top prospect away for Barker especially under the circumstance of the hawks
Am I the only person in the world that doesn't care about Cowan and Karlsson?

Everytime someone talks about Sens they talk about these 2!

Brian Lee is a better dman then either and I think he would be a better option in trade

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11-22-2009, 01:55 AM
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Am I the only person in the world that doesn't care about Cowan and Karlsson?

Everytime someone talks about Sens they talk about these 2!

Brian Lee is a better dman then either and I think he would be a better option in trade
Karlsson is a damn impressive defense man. He needs to bulk up, but he's got some high-end offensive potential.

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Am I the only person in the world that doesn't care about Cowan and Karlsson?

Everytime someone talks about Sens they talk about these 2!

Brian Lee is a better dman then either and I think he would be a better option in trade
At the moment Lee is better but the other two have much more potential. That's not bringing down Lee's play either, he's been very solid.

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Am I the only person in the world that doesn't care about Cowan and Karlsson?

Everytime someone talks about Sens they talk about these 2!

Brian Lee is a better dman then either and I think he would be a better option in trade
If you accept Lee in a trade before either Karlsson or Cowen. Thats just ridiculous I dont even know what to say. They are both worth 10x more than Lee, without playing in the NHL full time. Everyone knows this.

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If you accept Lee in a trade before either Karlsson or Cowen. Thats just ridiculous I dont even know what to say. They are both worth 10x more than Lee, without playing in the NHL full time. Everyone knows this.
The Hawks are looking to win now. Cowen and possibly Karlsson won't be ready until next year. Lee could step in and play on their bottom pairing, and he'll likely be pretty cheap going forward. It makes sense.

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Sens fan here, I need some help to finish this trade. I don't want to trade Leclaire but let see if we could make something work...

Chicago needs cap space and better goaltending

Ottawa wants Off-D, plus top 6 forward

Ottawa offers and gain around 4M:
Leclaire: 3.800M (ends in 10/11 season)
Campoli or Picard or Lee: between 0.633m and 0.850M (Lee has a .45M bonus - not much to happen here) all 3 have to be resigned next summer
Draft pick? INSERT ROUND HERE
Total: around 4.6M,

Ottawa eventually dump/trade Cheechoo & Kelly about 5M to be replaced with Chicago's forward prospect


Chicago trades and save around 4M:
Huet: 5.625M (end in 11/12)
Barker: 3.08M (end in 11/12)
Forward prospect? INSERT NAME HERE
Total: around 8.7M

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