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11-20-2009, 02:13 PM
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Sergei Kostitsyn
2 1st rounders (2010 and 2011)
Pyatt
2nd rounder in 2010

for
Alexander Semin
5th rounder in 2010

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11-20-2009, 02:17 PM
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Not nearly enough for a player of Semin caliber but thats just me. Two first are interesting but they would be high picks considering he would make 2 dangerous duos (Gomez-Gionta and Pleks-Semin).Also him and Ovie seems like good friends so I HIGHLY doubt it.

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lol, Caps would never do that.

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11-20-2009, 02:19 PM
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they would only do that if he was a UFA and they knew they were going to lose him to FA

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11-20-2009, 02:49 PM
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Semin is an incredible player, but if Washington keeps him, Backstrom AND Ovechkin, they will have the same cap problems as Chicago, Tampa (when Richards was there) etc.. Semin will be demanding a big raise when his contract expires....

what if MTL adds another prospect and another second?

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11-20-2009, 02:52 PM
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Sergei Kostitsyn
2 1st rounders (2010 and 2011)
Pyatt
2nd rounder in 2010

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Alexander Semin
5th rounder in 2010
Why exactly a fifth round again?

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11-20-2009, 02:55 PM
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Why exactly a fifth round again?
Because 2 first round + SK + Pyatt + 2nd Round = 5 lol

No i don't know.

They might do that if we are in the bottom 5 lol

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11-20-2009, 02:58 PM
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Sergei Kostitsyn
2 1st rounders (2010 and 2011)
Pyatt
2nd rounder in 2010

for
Alexander Semin
5th rounder in 2010
As much as I love Semin, the guy is injury prone. Giving away so much to a guy who can easily get injured is not a good idea.

Why Pyatt? Why a fifth round, I'd rather keep Pyatt.

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What's the point?! MTL has no money to keep him.

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11-20-2009, 02:59 PM
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Washington is a contending team and are not rebuilding so they'd want roster players instead of two average prospects +picks. Thats pretty basic I think.

Bad or average teams with aging and declining players need picks to rebuild while good young and rising teams need veterans and proven talent to support their young stars and plug holes. Obviously aging teams can be good and keep their core (this is what Gainey did until this year) and young teams can be bad (which means they can continue trying to get young players). Decisions that don't fall within this logic are usually failing ones. Regardless of the age of their group teams due to make the playoffs also try to get roster players in exchange of picks. In this case it makes no sense that we get the star player, Washington might go deep in the playoffs and we might miss them.

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11-20-2009, 03:03 PM
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Guys, who's the real Mike Cammalleri here?

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11-20-2009, 04:21 PM
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Hmm, I do know how much Semin is valuable to the caps, but giving 2 first rounders, a 2nd rounder and 2 young players with potential sounds like a bargain not to ignore. Though, caps probably won't consider this offer this season.

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11-20-2009, 04:28 PM
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I wouldn't do it.

This years draft is supposed to be the deepest since 2003... we are one big losing streak away from being a serious top 5 pick contender.

Semin is very talented, but with how this team is built right now, I'd prefer to keep those two picks.

can't forget that he is an RFA this offseason, and if we don't offer him a huge deal, he'd be exactly the kind of player that could attract a massive offer sheet.

imagine giving up 2 top 5-10 picks to end up with 4 picks in the 20-30 range (or something of that nature)

not worth the risk, right now. and definitely not while Gainey is running the ship.

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11-20-2009, 04:43 PM
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Gomez for Ovechkin and their contracts are almost identical.
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11-20-2009, 05:05 PM
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I wouldn't do it.

This years draft is supposed to be the deepest since 2003... we are one big losing streak away from being a serious top 5 pick contender.

Semin is very talented, but with how this team is built right now, I'd prefer to keep those two picks.

can't forget that he is an RFA this offseason, and if we don't offer him a huge deal, he'd be exactly the kind of player that could attract a massive offer sheet.

imagine giving up 2 top 5-10 picks to end up with 4 picks in the 20-30 range (or something of that nature)

not worth the risk, right now. and definitely not while Gainey is running the ship.

if hes rfa, maybe him going somewhere else would get us back those picks... so in the end, it would be semin for a year for sk74 and pyatt?

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11-20-2009, 05:13 PM
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I might be in the minority here, but I wouldn't make this trade.

TWO potential high first rounders, a 2nd as well as a decent prospect for a guy we might not even be able to sign?

No thank you.

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11-20-2009, 07:28 PM
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1) I wouldn't make this trade.

2) Why does anyone think this isn't enough?

Phil Kessel was had for 2 firsts and a second rounder. I think if anything this proposal is an over payment.

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11-20-2009, 07:54 PM
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Wouldn't do this. Not with our current situation.
Ask Burke now if he'd still do the Kessel trade. I strongly doubt it.
Sure he gets a good player, but he gives a divisional rival the possible 1st overall pick of next year's draft.
You only do this if a) you get a superstar/franchise player (which he isn't) or b) it's a very poor draft year (it isn't).

We could possibly get a top5 pick if our injury luck keeps going in the same direction.

At this point, I don't think I'd do that trade. Semin would be great, but he'd be another big salary to add at the end of this year. If we can't afford him, then we could possibly trade him or get compensation in case of offer sheets. But it would be tough to beat a top5 pick if that's what we'd end up giving.

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11-20-2009, 07:58 PM
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if hes rfa, maybe him going somewhere else would get us back those picks... so in the end, it would be semin for a year for sk74 and pyatt?
But if the offer sheet would be giving after this year's draft. So we don't know how good the pick we'd receive would turn out to be. And unless I'm mistaken, the draft in 2011 won't be as good as next year's.

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11-21-2009, 08:03 AM
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Honestly, who cares about draft picks. We have a decent farm as it is, we don't need any more first rounders.

I admit though, that it will be hard to sign him with the smurf line signed to big money already, but if we give him a zetterberg type deal, we can get a lower cap hit maybe??

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Honestly, who cares about draft picks. We have a decent farm as it is, we don't need any more first rounders.

I admit though, that it will be hard to sign him with the smurf line signed to big money already, but if we give him a zetterberg type deal, we can get a lower cap hit maybe??
sorry you lost me right there....

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11-21-2009, 09:01 AM
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I wouldn't do it. Semin is always injured, plus how can habs afford the 7 mil a year he would command? The team would still not be a real contender and we would be in the same position as the leafs with no picks.

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11-21-2009, 11:39 AM
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Add me to the "No way" brigade. Semin is a talented player to be sure, but we've got a couple problems there. One is that we can't afford him. Another is that we really shouldn't go around trading our 1st round picks. Either one (or ideally both) of them could turn out to be a Semin-calibre player, given that the current team doesn't seem to be very competitive. And when the current cap crisis is over, we'll need to have those players stepping up as part of our new core.

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