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11-07-2009, 06:48 PM
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Kings Need Consistent Goaltending

It's great the Kings are scoring. Anze Kopitar and Ryan Smyth are up there as scoring leaders. It's early I know. But for the Kings to really go far this season and in the future we cannot give up 3 goals in 25 shots. That won't cut it in the playoffs.

Quick has been great for us please don't get me wrong. But these are the type of games that our goaltending should step up. Our offense is the one carrying the team. Without it, we will not be in this position.

Besides Quick's number of wins - his stats are not great at all. Goaltenders should steal games on certain nights and this was supposedly one of them.

That being said, we need a veteran goaltender who's really good. But at what price and who? Is it time to give Bernier a crack? Just my opinion.

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11-07-2009, 06:50 PM
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I said this last season....and it is still true today.

No team should ever expect to win an NHL game without being able to score at least 3 goals. Yes there are teams that can win with only 1 or 2 goals worth of offense....but those games are more the exception than the rule.

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11-07-2009, 06:51 PM
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On second thought.... I tink Quick needs to be challenged. Let's bring up Bernier IMO.


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If you think goaltending was the problem today... Well I'll forgive you for not actually seeing the game.

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If you think goaltending was the problem today... Well I'll forgive you for not actually seeing the game.
Seconded.

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If you think goaltending was the problem today... Well I'll forgive you for not actually seeing the game.
Yes... thank you.

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11-07-2009, 07:01 PM
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I said this last season....and it is still true today.

No team should ever expect to win an NHL game without being able to score at least 3 goals. Yes there are teams that can win with only 1 or 2 goals worth of offense....but those games are more the exception than the rule.
When we score at least 3 goals this season we have only won twice.
In 9 games we are 2-7

Does that mean we should score 3 goals every game.?

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11-07-2009, 07:15 PM
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LOL@blaming this loss on goaltending

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There is really no call to question the consistency of it at all really so far. It may not be absolutely Roy/Brodeur stellar, but there is little doubt that Quick gives us the chance to win every night and given how well we are playing the accusation against holds little ground.

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On second thought.... I tink Quick needs to be challenged. Let's bring up Bernier IMO.

Bernier hasn't been able to challenge Quick yet and he's had his chances. Should we call up Zatkoff too? They're both dominating the AHL.

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LOL@blaming this loss on goaltending
Seriously. Apparently the OP didn't watch the Pittsburgh game.

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When we score at least 3 goals this season we have only won twice.
In 9 games we are 2-7

Does that mean we should score 3 goals every game.?
What?

The Kings have scored 3 or more goals 9 times and their record is 8-1 when scoring at least 3 goals.

I don't know where you get the 2-7 crap from.

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Good news... we have consistent goaltending.

What we could use is better special teams success. Not scoring on a 5 on 3 is really inexcusable for a team with this much firepower on the PP.

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11-07-2009, 08:06 PM
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If you think goaltending was the problem today... Well I'll forgive you for not actually seeing the game.
I didn't see the game and even I know it wasn't goaltending today. The Kings were flat, didn't play as hard as they have all season and it sounded like they couldn't connect a pass to save their lives. If I had a dollar for how many times Nick Nickson mentioned how terrible the passing was by the Kings today, I would be going out for a steak dinner tonight on them. It was like we didn't wake up in time. Crazy after the game we had a few nights ago. It's like we used all of our time and energy for the Pens and we thought this would be a cake walk. From the radio feed, it sounded like Quick was the only one who came to play this afternoon.

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we have the best goaltending since 20 years.............

can't believe someone is complaining about.

Sure it would be cool to have goaltender who constantly blanks the opponent team.
But show me a Goaltender with a 0.00 GAA with 82 games per season ???????

But ok, we had a nice time this season, lets go back to the old times and trade Quick away for a 3rd rounder and John Dickenson

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Goaltending was not the problem today.

Lack of offense and ability to generate it was.

For those of us that saw the game, I believe the overall concurence would be that our offense failed us, not our goaltending, nor even our defense.

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11-07-2009, 08:55 PM
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What?

The Kings have scored 3 or more goals 9 times and their record is 8-1 when scoring at least 3 goals.

I don't know where you get the 2-7 crap from.
Captain. 3 goals or less we are 2-7

4 goals or more we are 8-1

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11-07-2009, 08:59 PM
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Actually, right now, the bigger issue is secondary scoring.

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11-07-2009, 09:07 PM
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What?

The Kings have scored 3 or more goals 9 times and their record is 8-1 when scoring at least 3 goals.

I don't know where you get the 2-7 crap from.
RESULT W-L-OL GOALIE
Sat, Oct 3 Phoenix L 3-6
Tue, Oct 6 San Jose W 6-4
Thu, Oct 8 Minnesota W 6-3
Sat, Oct 10 @ St. Louis W 2-1
Mon, Oct 12 @ NY Islanders W 2-1
Wed, Oct 14 @ NY Rangers L 2-4
Thu, Oct 15 @ Detroit L 2-5
Sat, Oct 17 @ Columbus L 1-4
Mon, Oct 19 @ Dallas W 4-1
Thu, Oct 22 Dallas W 5-4 OT 6-4-0
Sat, Oct 24 @ Phoenix W 5-3
Sun, Oct 25 Columbus W 6-2
Wed, Oct 28 @ San Jose L 1-2 SO
Thu, Oct 29 Vancouver L 1-2 SO
NOVEMBER OPPONENT RESULT W-L-
Mon, Nov 2 @ Phoenix W 5-3
Thu, Nov 5 Pittsburgh W 5-2
Sat, Nov 7 Nashville L 1-3

That shows you when we score 3 goals or less we are 2-7 not 8 and 1
If we score 4 goals or more then we are 8-1.

So we have to score 4 goals to win? Not a good number IMO.

If it' not goaltending then maybe penalty kill.. defense.. who knows...
All I know is if you look at Quick;'s stats and not look at the number of wins he is not really that impressive IMO.

If wee are not scoring the way we are our record will be 4-10-2 and you guys will be all complaining we don't have good goaltending or something.

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RESULT W-L-OL GOALIE
Sat, Oct 3 Phoenix L 3-6
Tue, Oct 6 San Jose W 6-4
Thu, Oct 8 Minnesota W 6-3
Sat, Oct 10 @ St. Louis W 2-1
Mon, Oct 12 @ NY Islanders W 2-1
Wed, Oct 14 @ NY Rangers L 2-4
Thu, Oct 15 @ Detroit L 2-5
Sat, Oct 17 @ Columbus L 1-4
Mon, Oct 19 @ Dallas W 4-1
Thu, Oct 22 Dallas W 5-4 OT 6-4-0
Sat, Oct 24 @ Phoenix W 5-3
Sun, Oct 25 Columbus W 6-2
Wed, Oct 28 @ San Jose L 1-2 SO
Thu, Oct 29 Vancouver L 1-2 SO
NOVEMBER OPPONENT RESULT W-L-
Mon, Nov 2 @ Phoenix W 5-3
Thu, Nov 5 Pittsburgh W 5-2
Sat, Nov 7 Nashville L 1-3

That shows you when we score 3 goals or less we are 2-7 not 8 and 1
If we score 4 goals or more then we are 8-1.

So we have to score 4 goals to win? Not a good number IMO.

If it' not goaltending then maybe penalty kill.. defense.. who knows...
All I know is if you look at Quick;'s stats and not look at the number of wins he is not really that impressive IMO.

If wee are not scoring the way we are our record will be 4-10-2 and you guys will be all complaining we don't have good goaltending or something.
Judge....you are insane.....what are you not understanding about if the Kings score 3 goals or more they have only lost one time?

The numbers you are using (scoring 3 goals or less) just prove my point.

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What's your problem with the goaltending? Are you the guy that blames the goalie after every loss? Did you see the game today? Did you see Kopitar fall flat on his ass skating backwards leading to a turnover at the LA blueline which led directly to the 3rd goal? Did you see the cluster**** that was created by the Kings skaters in which Quick had to make like 4 point blank saves during the 3rd? Do you realize that qithout Quick's giant saves last game that LA loses to Pittsburgh?

If you saw the game today and are blaming the goalie then you are an idiot. If you didn't and are blaming the goalie then shut up.

Your blameless skaters and offensive players were non-existent for the most part. If I'm not mistaken, these guys have a pretty good record this season with the current goalie situation and no team has ever won every game so really...take a breath and realize that this is the best goaltending LA has had in ages. If you want to upgrade it, let me know two things:

a) Who is available that is better
b) What are you willing to give up for it?

And if you say Bernier than you are lacking in the intelligence department. I know, let's ruin the chemistry and good starts of TWO teams by making needless goalie changes!!!

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I'm not sure how'd you draw this conclusion from listening to the game on the radio either. Nick was noting repeatedly that the Kings were having a terrible time with their passing, face-offs and overall discombobulation offensively.

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Since we like to name games at Staples, I dub this game Bumblestiltskin.

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I think Quick is a very good goaltender but I'm not sure he's capable of elite status (in the future). He does tend to let in a bad goal every game or two but usually the offense bails him out. I think he's a huge upgrade over all the other goalies we've had the past 15 or so years and I like him a lot but i don't think we can win a Stanley cup with him in net because goaltending is SO important in the postseason.I think Bernier will reach elite status one day however and hopefully its with the Kings. I could be wrong on Quick too, its just my opinion.


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I think Quick is a very good goaltender but I'm not sure he's capable of elite status (in the future). He does tend to let in a bad goal every game or two but usually the offense bails him out. I think he's a huge upgrade over all the other goalies we've had the past 15 or so years and I like him a lot but i don't think we can win a Stanley cup with him in net because goaltending is SO important in the postseason.I think Bernier will reach elite status one day however and hopefully its with the Kings. I could be wrong on Quick to, its just my opinion.
Honestly....at this point there is no way to determine if either Quick or Bernier are going to be Elite goalies. I think people are letting their personal opinions get in the way. Are Osgood or Fleury "Elite" goaltenders? In my opinion no....but they both have Stanley Cup rings. You do not always have to have an future hall of fame goalie to win a Stanley Cup.

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