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Who would you rather keep? Brule or Cogliano?

View Poll Results: Who would you keep?
Brule 133 76.00%
Cogliano 21 12.00%
Neither/Both/NA 21 12.00%
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11-22-2009, 01:57 AM
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Cogliano has still proven more than Brule.
Yeah and that and $1 will buy you a MacDouble.

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11-22-2009, 04:41 AM
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both move cogs to wing

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11-22-2009, 04:46 AM
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i voted neither, because neither are difference makers (which is the type of player that we need)

cogliano just isn't very good at all... brule is riding a 19.4% shooting percentage right now, and will fall back to earth soon enough

if i had to pick between them i would pick brule though, as least hes capable of doing something (hitting) at the NHL level... all cogliano can do is skate fast and not play defence
What logic is this?

The question is either or, not neither.

The fact that neither are "difference makers" means **** all.

On an NHL team, there are not 23 difference makers, so your logic is lacking.

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11-22-2009, 11:16 AM
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I think Cogs could be a good trading chip to attempt to move up at the draft. If we're in the 10-16 spot, I think Cogs, 1st, 2nd could get you to #4 - Kabanov. Suppose its way to early to speculate this stuff.

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11-22-2009, 12:24 PM
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Methinks that we have much redundancy in the bottom 6. Who would you rather have?
Uh, isn't it the other way around?

Ridiculous redundancy in the top six: small, skilled forwards who play on the perimeter and don't get their cute noses dirty.

I wish the Oilers had 3 Gilbert Brule's. No brainer here.

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11-22-2009, 12:59 PM
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both move cogs to wing
this. if you move any small players it's Nilsson and Pouliot for whatever scraps you can get.

I chose Brule, but Pisani's LTIR status makes room for Cogs.

let's get some of these young guys signed for cheap and give them some more time to develop under Quinney.

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11-22-2009, 01:03 PM
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Ridiculous redundancy in the top six: small, skilled forwards who play on the perimeter and don't get their cute noses dirty.
I wonder what the return on Hemsky would be...

who here really thinks Comrie will be back next year?

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11-22-2009, 01:11 PM
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I wonder what the return on Hemsky would be...

who here really thinks Comrie will be back next year?
If we deal Hemsky it's either in a package for a better player or a bigger but slightly less skilled player or we do it for picks/prospects and dive for 5.

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11-22-2009, 01:38 PM
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I like em both. I picked Brule cause I think his ceiling is higher and I like his physicality and shot better.

I'm starting to wonder if O'Sullivan is going to work out here either. Watching him pull the chute when he's going to get hit is embarrassing.

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11-22-2009, 01:48 PM
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chose cogliano because im not sold on brule yet. i agree brule has been miles ahead of cogliano this year but 25 games means nothing. we could trade cogs and have brule fade into nothing..... weve seen players have a good year than just disappear. that being said if brule keeps his pace up i would pick him instead of cogs. but htats yet to be seen

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imo i seriously can not see cogliano ever getting really good. Cogs just doesn't have that edge that is needed to be in the show. You could spear him and call him names and hed just skate off. our other small players can get angry and defend themselves (look at gagnz, 2 fights already). Creme Brule just simply has a lot more potential than cogliano, and hes tough. I cant stand soft players like cogs and gilbert!

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11-22-2009, 02:49 PM
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imo i seriously can not see cogliano ever getting really good. Cogs just doesn't have that edge that is needed to be in the show. You could spear him and call him names and hed just skate off. our other small players can get angry and defend themselves (look at gagnz, 2 fights already). Creme Brule just simply has a lot more potential than cogliano, and hes tough. I cant stand soft players like cogs and gilbert!
Well Gretzky was a soft player...

Not at all trying to make a comparison, just saying.

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11-22-2009, 04:18 PM
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I figure I was very harsh on Cogs in a previous thread. I think he could be useful to a team that requires his specific skill set. The Oilers are not that team. That being said I pick Brule 5 times out of 5.
Cogliano's still a young hockey player and he does have some talent. I agree with you that he just doesn't seem to fit on this team.

For starters, I don't think he's a great option at center--if he were finally moved to the wing, it would be better.

Secondly, at this stage in his career, he's not much of a scoring threat--especially with Moreau/Stortini, nor can he provide a physical presence or strong defensive play.

Some think that he's regressed a bit this year so far while others just suggest he's not a good fit with his linemates. Either way, it's hard to find a spot on our roster where he can excel.

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11-29-2009, 03:15 AM
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Brule doesn't have NHL level talent.
You becoming a writer and staff member for HF is mind-boggling...

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11-29-2009, 04:02 AM
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Sure Cogliano may have "proven more" up until this point. I'm still pissed the Oilers had to bring this guy in... they basically had to because of how crappy the team was at the time and also because of his exceptional training camp.

But you can already see in the few games he's played this year that Brule has more to offer, in basically every department of the game. Plain and simply, he is a superior prospect. There's a reason he was drafted 6th overall, Columbus stunted his growth in a big way by thrusting him right onto the big stage, they were desperate.

He's maybe a step slower than Cogs, still has great speed.
He can dangle (not that it proves anything, but at least it gives one incite into the kind of skill and offensive capabilities he has, the creativity he has etc.)
Has a good shot.
Is tenacious and skates hard all over the ice.
Plays with grit.

Yeah, I'll take Brule. I've been saying this for the past 2 years, he's Edmonton's "secret weapon" and if everything works out he could be their #3 center or play wing on the 2nd line. Versatile player.

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11-29-2009, 05:27 AM
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Brule. I would have said put Cogliano in as goalie but our goaltending is doing great for what I want accomplished.

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11-29-2009, 05:33 AM
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man this place is weird sometimes, brule is off to a good start to the season and all of the sudden he jumps past cogs who has scored 18 goals in each of his last two season, his only two seasons. We forgot so easy what a player like cogs is capable of. I mean give him playing time with Gagner and Penner and maybe he will produce more, instead of suffocating him with the likes of Moreau.

Both are good players, i would keep both, Cogs is not a throw away all of the sudden because Brule is playing well. Brule certainly may be coming around and becoming the player he was drafted so high to be, but i mean come on, Cogs deserves more from us even if he is in a rough stretch right now.

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I have always been a Brule fan and he is a little gritty which cogs is not

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At this point (and I would have probably said this a year ago...) I would take Brule. I have a feeling about this kid. If he can find his role and figure out what type of player he should be, I am confident that he could turn into an awesome player...be it a goal scorer, or a wicked grinder. Cogs hasn't really been able to break into the top 6 since the kid line, and I like a lot of things about his game, but honestly I'd be FAR more sad to see Brule go than Cogs.

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both players need better players around them to be productive but id give the edge to Brule for winning puck battles, a shot that usually creates some havoc, and he can win faceoffs.

Cogs speed is nice and the few times he gets ballsy going to the net (which is why he scores at all)... other than that, "meh".

that being said, these dudes arent the "problem" of the team. its about getting guys that can actually carry teams and lines, where players like these have some help. theres no way either of these dudes will probably "carry" a line without someone of a little better talent (in either direction - Off or Def) to help create confidence and generate consistency.

the vets/"stars" (AKA the FAKE "CORE") the Oilers invested time and money into now arent cutting it well enough for either "balance" throughout or even a "Trickle down" effect.

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I like em both. I picked Brule cause I think his ceiling is higher and I like his physicality and shot better.

I'm starting to wonder if O'Sullivan is going to work out here either. Watching him pull the chute when he's going to get hit is embarrassing.
I just don't understand this kind of comment. It was one play. Sully actually goes into traffic with the puck with abandon and doesn't shy away from stuff.

On the other hand we have "Hemsky the Linebacker" who has never met a turnbuckle he didn't like.

I think maybe its because were Canadian but not every hockey player thinks the game like we do. Sometimes given the size, power,physics,disregard for other players, it can be wise to bail occasionally and live to fight another game.

On the Hemsky injury look who bailed and who didn't and what occurred. That entire play was premeditated. One player gets a means nothing 2min penalty and the "Winner" gets a season long injury.

Yeah live to play another day..

Some vague, stupid, notion of playing brave and tough should not override common sense. Players get killed and crippled in hockey. Happens often enough.

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11-29-2009, 09:58 AM
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Cogliano could be a consistent 30 goal guy if given the opportunity. Brule doesn't have NHL level talent.
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You have some eye for talent.

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It killed me to vote Brule here, because Cogliano has been and will be the better player again - but this team has a very specific archetype at work and Brule fits our needs better.

Plus, I feel Cogliano has some trade value.

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keep Brule
wait and see on cogs
trade O'Sullivan and Gilbert

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Well he does have a very accurate and hard shot and hes proven that in the shootout. He just seems to be snakebit in the actual game for some reason, hes probably worrying to much...
He's been snake bitten for most of the past 4 years.

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