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Who would you rather keep? Brule or Cogliano?

View Poll Results: Who would you keep?
Brule 133 76.00%
Cogliano 21 12.00%
Neither/Both/NA 21 12.00%
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11-29-2009, 11:27 AM
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I just don't understand this kind of comment. It was one play. Sully actually goes into traffic with the puck with abandon and doesn't shy away from stuff.

On the other hand we have "Hemsky the Linebacker" who has never met a turnbuckle he didn't like.

I think maybe its because were Canadian but not every hockey player thinks the game like we do. Sometimes given the size, power,physics,disregard for other players, it can be wise to bail occasionally and live to fight another game.

On the Hemsky injury look who bailed and who didn't and what occurred. That entire play was premeditated. One player gets a means nothing 2min penalty and the "Winner" gets a season long injury.

Yeah live to play another day..

Some vague, stupid, notion of playing brave and tough should not override common sense. Players get killed and crippled in hockey. Happens often enough.
The difference though, is that Sully was in no danger of getting his face smashed into the boards. Even if you slow down, let the other guy get the puck and then hit him, it's far better than the stop and peel out move Sully did.

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11-29-2009, 11:34 AM
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Brule is like Cogliano with hands. But I'd like to hang on to both of them, their speed and tenacity is unmatched by anyone else on the team. I want to see Comrie, Nilsson and POS gone before either of Brule/Cogs are traded.

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11-29-2009, 11:50 AM
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I must say that Cogs has been looking better as a winger, surprise, surprise!

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11-29-2009, 11:52 AM
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The difference though, is that Sully was in no danger of getting his face smashed into the boards. Even if you slow down, let the other guy get the puck and then hit him, it's far better than the stop and peel out move Sully did.
Unless he is playing hurt that was a chicken **** play by Patty-O. I am a fan of his but I have also caught myself questioning his offensive decision making a LOT lately.

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11-29-2009, 11:52 AM
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Get rid of everyone under 200lbs... and that means 'our' prospects as well.

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11-29-2009, 11:55 AM
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Get rid of everyone under 200lbs... and that means 'our' prospects as well.
Brule has been doing pretty good. I'd give Eberle and Omark a shot, however unless the guy is super talented we need to start looking for more size at the draft.

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11-29-2009, 01:16 PM
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Keep Brule and try and trade Cogs for someone like Peter Mueller.

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11-29-2009, 01:23 PM
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Unless he is playing hurt that was a chicken **** play by Patty-O. I am a fan of his but I have also caught myself questioning his offensive decision making a LOT lately.
He is the Gilbert of the offense. Want to improve the team? Start by getting rid of all the players that are afraid of their shadows, then you can move on to those that dont want to listen to the coaching staff. After that you may have one or two players left from which to build a team.

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11-29-2009, 01:43 PM
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Brule is starting to win me over, he has played well lately.

But, I would still rather have Cogliano. The kid has his confidence shaken or something - when he gets it back together he will be a 30 goal, 60 point kind of guy.

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11-29-2009, 01:48 PM
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Brule is showing why he was a top 6 pick right now guy has really stepped his game up

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11-29-2009, 02:01 PM
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I'd like to keep both at this point, but if forced to choose, it would be Brule staying, hands down. He has the shot, the playmaking ability, and the tenacity. Cogs has speed, but his playmaking skills are in doubt, and he doesn't have the big shot. Brule is looking like a top 6 guy. Cogs will be a 3rd liner with some time on the 2nd.

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11-29-2009, 02:04 PM
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I'm amazed at how undervalued Cogliano is right now...

I'd rather keep him than Brule to be honest... because i still feel Cogliano has a lot of untapped potential, but I can understand why people would rather keep Brule given how well he has played for us.

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11-29-2009, 02:05 PM
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cogs is good and he will probably learn eventually how to handle the puck at high speeds. It seems like he is skating faster than his hands can react

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11-29-2009, 02:11 PM
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cogs is good and he will probably learn eventually how to handle the puck at high speeds. It seems like he is skating faster than his hands can react
Sounds familiar...Marchant?

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11-29-2009, 02:14 PM
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I dont care about Brule's history I wold keep him over Cogs anyday, Cogliano is mediocre at best and wont be more than a 20 goal scorer with a minus stat at the end of the season. Brule brings the physical element and can chip some garbage goals once and awhile at clutch times just like his Vancouver days.

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11-29-2009, 02:19 PM
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Brule is like Cogliano with hands. But I'd like to hang on to both of them, their speed and tenacity is unmatched by anyone else on the team. I want to see Comrie, Nilsson and POS gone before either of Brule/Cogs are traded.
I think we should keep both. Cogliano reminds me of a young Kris Draper. Excellent penalty killer with tons of speed, tenacity, and an offensive contributor. Cogliano is too good to give up.

Brule is a keeper. Tenacious player with speed and skill. Leadership by example.

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11-29-2009, 02:26 PM
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I want to keep both. Brule's play doesn't make Cogliano redundant. It makes Moreau Pisani Nilsson or Pouliot redundant.

Cogliano is already in the HHOF.



Seriously though, Despite being rushed too early, having Brule work his way up through the minors kind of shows how valuable AHL experience is to players transitioning from junior.

There is the occasional phenom like Ovechkin or Crosby, but Gagner and Cogs should have both spent a season in the AHL. This season really should have been Gagner's rookie campaign, as there would be far less pressure on him to be an impact player. It would have been better for his overall development. He still need to mature physically, and we're feeling the growing pains of bringing him to the show too early.

Cogs and Gags should have spent another couple of seasons honing in on various aspects of their games in the A.

Are there been any examples of seasoning time in the AHL hurting a prospect's development?


The one I can recall that had a LOT of media coverage was when Spezza was sent down twice, and he's turned into a damn fine player.


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11-29-2009, 02:53 PM
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Brule has more crust. Brule is better on the draw. Cogliano is a better skater, but seems to wipe out on every shift. However I would trade Cogs only if the return was substantial. No point in giving up on him, he has potential to be a good NHL player, and has scored some points already. Like mentioned earlier, the Nilsson's and Moreaus need to be moved first. I'd like a thread asking "Longterm-who's better for Oilers: Osullivan Vrs. Cogliano." I bet Cogs would win that one hands down.

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11-29-2009, 03:16 PM
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Brule is starting to win me over, he has played well lately.

But, I would still rather have Cogliano. The kid has his confidence shaken or something - when he gets it back together he will be a 30 goal, 60 point kind of guy.
I agree, as Quinn has said a lot of the Oilers' young players still have a lot to learn about themselves. Cogliano is figuring it out and if/when his head catches up to his speed he'll be an awesome 2nd line player. He's already shown he's got finish, PK skills, and most importantly a ton of character. Remember this Lowetide post from the summer, post-Heatley fiasco:
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Few if any could claim surprise at the maturity of his words today when addressing the situation:
"It's disappointing. I like being here. I want to be an Oiler."
"I'm not holding any grudges."
"It just made me strong and it's good motivation too."
"I'm a guy who has some worth in the league and I have to prove it now."
I don't know if I'm more impressed with him or his parents; either way, what a tremendous young man and here's hoping the Edmonton Oilers do what all strong organizations to with exceptional young men. Wait to see what they are until trading them away.
And his comments before the Sharks game the other night really impressed me. You need guys with his character and heart on winning teams. Also 36 goals in his first 2 seasons is a pretty impressive stat (for an Oiler, at least). We've seen how much Brule has improved as he's gained confidence and learned to think the game at the NHL level. Let's give Cogs some time - he wants to be a great player, and he's got the tools to make it.

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11-30-2009, 04:21 AM
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keep both. Brule looks in the past few games like a player he is supposed to become...which is a top line offensive threat with a lot of grit.

Cogliano has shown in the past that he has a great nose for the net. On the other hand, he needs help creating chances, and doesn't get it with linemates such as Moreau and Stortini he has been fed a rotten plate this year and his stats are, IMO, not reflective of his effort, but reflective of his circumstances.

he will, if used properly, become the next St. Louis.

Simple solution - move POS. I like him and pull for him succeeding, but if Cogliano was given his ice time, there would be more goals on the board. period. Moving POS creates (especially now that hemsky is sidelined) a wing position for Cogliano with HOrcoff and JFJ. Comrie comes back and fills the hole on line 3 with Potulny (whom he would work well with) and Stone. Waive Pouliot as soon as he is off the IR, and your roster problems are solved, with Moreau, Stortini and Nillson (who might fit on line 3 as well with Potulny on 4).

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11-30-2009, 09:42 AM
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i voted Brule

But i would rather keep both, just didn't like how it was grouped up with neither

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11-30-2009, 09:52 AM
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Brule.

I like Cogliano, but Brule plays a much better all around game, and it seems he is starting to find the reason for his draft position. Fact is, the Oilers have too many small forwards (and more on the way), some need to go.


I would keep O'Sullivan over Cogliano as well. In fact if a huge deal depended on Gagner, I would deal him too. I guess what I am saying is that there are no untouchables, but Brule (for me) is quickly becoming the closest to that designation.

Gagner, O'Sullivan, Brule, Cogliano, Nilsson - in the future: Omark and Eberle. That is 7 small potential top six forwards; management needs to deal all but two of them (in my ever-so-humble opinion).

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11-30-2009, 10:34 AM
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i voted Brule

But i would rather keep both, just didn't like how it was grouped up with neither
This, I prefer Brule. But I would keep both if Cogs fits as a winger. He defintiely should not take another faceoff.

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11-30-2009, 11:42 AM
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Cogliano could be a consistent 30 goal guy if given the opportunity. Brule doesn't have NHL level talent.
this^^^It ain't happening at all under the guidance of Mr. Quinn so far

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11-30-2009, 11:43 AM
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Are there been any examples of seasoning time in the AHL hurting a prospect's development?
Well in most cases it is players you never hear about again.....

I think some players who get sent down lose confidence in their ability and in professional sports confidence accounts for a lot.....see Dustin Penner

There are a lot of solid hockey players who end up in Europe or in the AHL because they were not handled correctly....

I think this happens to a lot of goalie and defenseman prospects as teams generally feel they all need seasoning in the AHL.....unfortunately some go down for a couple of years and never come out.....

I think for solid prospects one year in the AHL is a good thing but when a player spends his 2nd, 3rd and 4th year he begins to doubt himself and almost begins to accept the AHL as their career and the player development stops....

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