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11-22-2009, 04:47 PM
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I'd say Chicago picks one of Lee or Wiercioch and then a 2nd for Barker.
Barker > Lee + 2nd
Barker > Wiercioch + 2nd
Barker < Lee , Weircioch + 2nd (According to everyone here)

So how about
Barker for Lee + Wiercioch

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11-22-2009, 04:55 PM
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Barker > Lee + 2nd
Barker > Wiercioch + 2nd
Barker < Lee , Weircioch + 2nd (According to everyone here)

So how about
Barker for Lee + Wiercioch
Personally I wouldn't give up Wiercioch and a second for barker, so definitely not Lee and Wiercioch. I think given the situation the Hawks are in, you guys will get less value in return than is actually fair. Unless you can move a guy like Brent Sopel, which could pose difficult, you may be pressured to make a bad deal. Look at what Ehrhoff went for this summer.

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Canucks acquired defencemen Christian Ehrhoff and Brad Lukowich from the San Jose Sharks in exchange for defenceman Daniel Rahimi and forward Patrick White.

If you are dumping salary then you cant expect fair value from ANY team.

I doubt anyone takes Sopel everyone will go after Barker or Versteeg and wont get exactly fair value for them either.

Though the Hawks management brought it on themselves

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11-22-2009, 04:55 PM
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I'd part ways with Lee, but Wiercioch, no no
I'd never trade any one( remember, this is HF boards)

but if I had too, I'd trade Wiercioch, his value is high right now, and Lee has shown strides of greatness

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11-22-2009, 05:04 PM
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So how about
Barker for Lee + Wiercioch
Then what?

Kuba -
Phillips - Karlsson?
Barker - Carkner
Campoli -
Picard -

We have a better offensive, bottom pairing defenseman whose contract makes it nearly impossible to fit Volchenkov into the salary structure next season. Yay!

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11-22-2009, 05:26 PM
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Canucks acquired defencemen Christian Ehrhoff and Brad Lukowich from the San Jose Sharks in exchange for defenceman Daniel Rahimi and forward Patrick White.

If you are dumping salary then you cant expect fair value from ANY team.

I doubt anyone takes Sopel everyone will go after Barker or Versteeg and wont get exactly fair value for them either.

Though the Hawks management brought it on themselves
I'd be ecstatic if barker got anything like the package gomez got.

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11-22-2009, 05:29 PM
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I'd be ecstatic if barker got anything like the package gomez got.
ya but bryan murray is no bob gainey

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11-22-2009, 05:39 PM
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I'm guessing that Wiercioch is one of our most untouchable prospects at his point in time.
His potential is off the charts, and he doesn't have the value in a trade that a Karlsson or Cowen has, so it would be pointless to trade him unless we were getting a blue-chip forward prospect.

Lee is a good start, and I think both teams can agree that he would be a good start for a Barker dea. Something like Lee+3rd could work. Ottawa would need to add a small cap dump, so maybe a guy like Shannon/Cheechoo/Kelly (although Hawks wouldn't want the last 2).

Lee+Shannon+3rd

for

Barker

Kuba - Volchenkov
Phillips - Barker
Carkner - Karlsson

Seabrook - Keith
Campbell - Hjalmarsson
Lee - Sopel/Hendry

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11-22-2009, 05:44 PM
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I'm guessing that Wiercioch is one of our most untouchable prospects at his point in time.
His potential is off the charts, and he doesn't have the value in a trade that a Karlsson or Cowen has, so it would be pointless to trade him unless we were getting a blue-chip forward prospect.

Lee is a good start, and I think both teams can agree that he would be a good start for a Barker dea. Something like Lee+3rd could work. Ottawa would need to add a small cap dump, so maybe a guy like Shannon/Cheechoo/Kelly (although Hawks wouldn't want the last 2).

Lee+Shannon+3rd

for

Barker

Kuba - Volchenkov
Phillips - Barker
Carkner - Karlsson

Seabrook - Keith
Campbell - Hjalmarsson
Lee - Sopel/Hendry
Barker > Lee + 3rd

And Shannon is not better then several of the guys we have in AHL so we wouldn't want him

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11-22-2009, 05:49 PM
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Barker > Lee + 3rd

And Shannon is not better then several of the guys we have in AHL so we wouldn't want him
That's your opinion, but I can guarantee you're not getting both Lee and Wiercioch in any deal involving Cam Barker. And as much as I dislike Ryan Shannon, you're severly underrating him.

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We give up Lee, who has loads of Potential, Wiercioch who had 36 points in 35 game in the NCAA last year as a DEFENSEMAN and a 2nd round pick which with Murray is probably going to end up being a better player than most 1st round picks.
wishful thinking i see...

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11-22-2009, 05:58 PM
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wishful thinking i see...
To a certain extent. But Murray has done a great job rebuilding our pipeline and he seems to do his best work in the 2nd round. His 2nd rounders in the last 2 years include both Wiercioch and Lehrner. Both players have looked astounding since being drafted, and could very well end up being better than a few 1rst round picks.

You'll have to forgive Sens fans, we have gone through years of trading our picks for disastrous playoff rentals like Peter Bondra and Tyler Arnason, so when we actually make a pick that looks like a good one we get a little bit excited.

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11-22-2009, 06:09 PM
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Barker > Lee + 3rd

And Shannon is not better then several of the guys we have in AHL so we wouldn't want him
Buffalo said they were dying for an offensive LH'ed D-man.
They're currently giving Chris Butler 4 mins of PP time a game and their D-corps is healthy. He's got 6 assists in 20 games this year and 24 professional points in 97 professional games.

Ottawa has Kuba, Picard and Campoli on the left side putting up points.

F.Kuba 0.67 PPG (3:18 PP/GP)
Barker 0.52 PPG (2:42 PP/GP)
Picard 0.47 PPG (2:03 PP/GP)
Campoli 0.30 PPG
(career avg of 0.37) (2:02 PP/GP)
Butler 0.30 PPG (career avg of 0.18) (3:57 PP/GP)


Just let this thread die.

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11-22-2009, 06:14 PM
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To sum it up:

Two unproven defensemen for an up and coming Barker.

Chicago gives you a big fat resounding NO!!!! Unless of course we can get Wiercoch and a 1st.


I'll take the Cullen and Corvo deal before we do this. I'm interested in winning the Cup now! Not bringing in an underachiever (in Lee) and grooming a potential solid player for the future.

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To a certain extent. But Murray has done a great job rebuilding our pipeline and he seems to do his best work in the 2nd round. His 2nd rounders in the last 2 years include both Wiercioch and Lehrner. Both players have looked astounding since being drafted, and could very well end up being better than a few 1rst round picks.

You'll have to forgive Sens fans, we have gone through years of trading our picks for disastrous playoff rentals like Peter Bondra and Tyler Arnason, so when we actually make a pick that looks like a good one we get a little bit excited.
As a Hawks fan you have my smypathy!

There was a time when Bondra and Arnason were our main attractions

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11-22-2009, 06:38 PM
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wishful thinking i see...
He got Lehner with a second rounder. That guy is making a lot of noise in the OHL this year. Plus he'll probably be playing in the AHL at 19 next season.

Not bad for a second round pick.

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Not a chance in hell.

I don't want to see a potential Karlsson-Cowen, Wiercioch-Lee, Phillips/Picard-Volchenkov blueline wasted.

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The rumours with the Chicago Blackhawks are back on the front burner this weekend.

The Hawks have some serious cap issues right now and the Senators might be willing to take a player of their hands. Word is the Senators have interest in defenceman Cam Barker.

Ottawa would apparently send Ryan Shannon and Alex Picard to the Windy City in return. I would think draft picks would have to be involved as well.

I spoke to one contact this evening who actually suggested that this was a done deal but that the league had taken issue with it. There's talk the Hawks would could potentially put one or both Ottawa players on waivers if the deal was to go through.

This is just a rumour for now but definitely something to keep an eye on here. I'll update again if I hear anything more.
From bleacherreport: some reason the link keeps changing everytime i post the url..


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In the proposed Ottawa deal, the Hawks would receive defenseman Alexandre Picard, 23, center Ryan Shannon, 26, and even potentially a draft pick. Both Picard and Shannon have the required expiring contracts, but both are also young and making small enough money that their retention could be considered in 2010-11 if they perform while in Chicago.

Again, it is speculation.. maybe this thread continues?

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From bleacherreport: some reason the link keeps changing everytime i post the url..





Again, it is speculation.. maybe this thread continues?
Hawks lose Barker for nothing if that happens...maybe they'll have to, along with Sopel.

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Hawks lose Barker for nothing if that happens...maybe they'll have to, along with Sopel.
We've seen Erhoff traded away for nothing.. maybe it's not that far off?

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We've seen Erhoff traded away for nothing.. maybe it's not that far off?
True, but that was a prelude to Heatley trade.

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True, but that was a prelude to Heatley trade.
Could also mean a prelude to an announcement of the TKK signings.. The league has been watching over the Hawks, maybe they are forcing them to do something before the Hawks can sign the big 3?

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barker for shannon, picard and possibly a second and even maybe a later pick?

sign me the **** up.

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barker for shannon, picard and possibly a second and even maybe a later pick?

sign me the **** up.
**** yes

May be a done deal soon

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