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11-22-2009, 04:25 PM
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Los Angeles - Carolina

To LA:
Ray Whitney and Tuomo Ruutu

To Carolina:
Alexander Frolov, Teddy Purcell, and a 2nd round pick in 2010

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11-22-2009, 04:28 PM
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Ruutu is practically untouchable.

Carolina has no reason to do this. They won't make the playoffs so there's no need to acquire a playoff rental

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I'd rather use those pieces and get a player that will help the Kings now and the future.

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Ruutu is practically untouchable.

Carolina has no reason to do this. They won't make the playoffs so there's no need to acquire a playoff rental
What makes Ruutu untouchable? If anything he's the perfect type of guy to sell high.

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11-22-2009, 04:33 PM
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What makes Ruutu untouchable? If anything he's the perfect type of guy to sell high.
not for a rental

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11-22-2009, 04:40 PM
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I'd rather use those pieces and get a player that will help the Kings now and the future.
Canes say no. We can get Frolov in the offseason. We don't need to give up a 30-30 type power forward to get him during a futile season. I'll trade Whitney for Purcell + 2nd though...

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I'll trade Whitney for Purcell + 2nd though...
Most Kings fans agree to that.

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What makes Ruutu untouchable? If anything he's the perfect type of guy to sell high.
I see absolutely no reason to "sell" him at all.

You "sell high" with players who are clearly overachieving. Is Ruutu overachieving for the second straight season?

Dustin Brown has 71 points in 104 games since the beginning of last season. Tuomo Ruutu has 69 points in 98 games during that timespan and is just as much a physical force. Maybe you should "sell high" with Brown.

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not for a rental
That's the thing that I didn't understand in the proposal.

I agree with the other poster in saying he's trade Whitney for Purcell and a second. Seems logical from both sides.

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11-22-2009, 04:51 PM
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Canes say no. We can get Frolov in the offseason. We don't need to give up a 30-30 type power forward to get him during a futile season. I'll trade Whitney for Purcell + 2nd though...
No you can't, no 1st line player is about to sign with Carolina, sorry, trading for him and offering him a big fat contract is all you can hope for.

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No you can't, no 1st line player is about to sign with Carolina, sorry, trading for him and offering him a big fat contract is all you can hope for.
The real first liners sign only with powerful Montreal. Gionta is example .

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I see absolutely no reason to "sell" him at all.

You "sell high" with players who are clearly overachieving. Is Ruutu overachieving for the second straight season?

Dustin Brown has 71 points in 104 games since the beginning of last season. Tuomo Ruutu has 69 points in 98 games during that timespan and is just as much a physical force. Maybe you should "sell high" with Brown.
I was just questioning why Ruutu is untouchable.

In regards to the Brown vs Ruutu discussion I think the only thing comparable is the timeline statistc. Brown is younger, not an injury risk, captain, and despite what you say is in another league when it comes to "physical force".

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I was just questioning why Ruutu is untouchable.
"I'd rather use those pieces and get a player that will help the Kings now and the future" in response to a proposal involving Ruutu. Then a suggestion that the Hurricane should sell him "high."

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In regards to the Brown vs Ruutu discussion I think the only thing comparable is the timeline statistc. Brown is younger, not an injury risk, captain, and despite what you say is in another league when it comes to "physical force".
Five games missed due to injury in 07-08, three in 08-09 and zero this year. Quite the injury risk.

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The real first liners sign only with powerful Montreal. Gionta is example .
and Cammalleri thank you very much.

BTW, where's your Gionta?

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and Cammalleri thank you very much.

BTW, where's your Gionta?
Perhaps the Hurricanes should take a page from Montreal and acquire amazing players with great contracts like Scott Gomez in order to sway UFAs.

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No you can't, no 1st line player is about to sign with Carolina, sorry, trading for him and offering him a big fat contract is all you can hope for.
? Since when so the canes have a bad rep? What a joke. The canes are as likely as anyone to get frolov as long as they pay the same market price, three top four finishes since 2002 and a great place to live. Many players would take it over Montreal, who truly had to overpay to get what they did this summer. Canes have never gone after a top ufa forward before, so you have no basis to say this at all. Ruutu for frolov makes no sense. Whitney for fro straight up is actually fair value since both teams are losing them as ufa's and Whitney would definitely help them in the playoffs, tho I'd have no problem throwing something extra to get it done if fro will sign now with the canes. Frolov should be pumped at the thought of playing with staal.

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? Since when so the canes have a bad rep? What a joke. The canes are as likely as anyone to get frolov as long as they pay the same market price, three top four finishes since 2002 and a great place to live. Many players would take it over Montreal, who truly had to overpay to get what they did this summer. Canes have never gone after a top ufa forward before, so you have no basis to say this at all. Ruutu for frolov makes no sense. Whitney for fro straight up is actually fair value since both teams are losing them as ufa's and Whitney would definitely help them in the playoffs, tho I'd have no problem throwing something extra to get it done if fro will sign now with the canes. Frolov should be pumped at the thought of playing with staal.
Don't wanna be the bad guy here..........

The problem is... Frolov doesn't gets better with better line mates,
he makes the line mates worse.
The problem is his type of playing.
He is a monster in puck possession... but thats it.
He has the tools to be a Kovalchuk but he doesn't know that.
He just circles arround ith the puck and has abolute no drive to the net.
Sometimes i wonder how he scored 30+ goals a couple seasons

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? Since when so the canes have a bad rep? What a joke. The canes are as likely as anyone to get frolov as long as they pay the same market price, three top four finishes since 2002 and a great place to live. Many players would take it over Montreal, who truly had to overpay to get what they did this summer. Canes have never gone after a top ufa forward before, so you have no basis to say this at all. Ruutu for frolov makes no sense. Whitney for fro straight up is actually fair value since both teams are losing them as ufa's and Whitney would definitely help them in the playoffs, tho I'd have no problem throwing something extra to get it done if fro will sign now with the canes. Frolov should be pumped at the thought of playing with staal.
It's not about reps, it's simply results, very few current bottom teams have been able to attract top UFA's the year after

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Hey i'm not the who started the shooting game, i only gave a what i think is a fair judgment

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Perhaps the Hurricanes should take a page from Montreal and acquire amazing players with great contracts like Scott Gomez in order to sway UFAs.
you see.....

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and Cammalleri thank you very much.

BTW, where's your Gionta?
We just signed Eric Staal, Cam Ward, and Tuomo Ruutu to big fat extensions. Keeping your young talent in house is just as, and arguably more important, than the ability to draw big name free agents. Carolina has been unsuccessful in the UFA market because Jim Rutherford strongly believes, and it's hashed out by the amount of swings and misses that happen yearly, that trying to build a team through unrestricted free agency is a flawed process and that July 1st is full of knee jerk reactions from impatient fanbases that want to see a team bear fruit more quickly than "the plan" would dictate.

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No you can't, no 1st line player is about to sign with Carolina, sorry, trading for him and offering him a big fat contract is all you can hope for.
Yeah no winger wants play wing on a line with Eric Staal...

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Deal a million times over.

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Don't wanna be the bad guy here..........

The problem is... Frolov doesn't gets better with better line mates,
he makes the line mates worse.
The problem is his type of playing.
He is a monster in puck possession... but thats it.
He has the tools to be a Kovalchuk but he doesn't know that.
He just circles arround ith the puck and has abolute no drive to the net.
Sometimes i wonder how he scored 30+ goals a couple seasons
LOL!!!!!!! He does not have Kovi's Shot selection, skating or drive!!!! And I'm a Frolov fan.

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I'm sure DL would do that deal for Ruutu alone but CAR wouldn't.

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Kings say yes, and thank you.

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