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11-23-2009, 02:49 PM
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If wed get down to last place for the draft the lottery would probably be fixed anyways and wed probably finish 5th because the NHL seems to hate Edmonton
Agreed 100%.

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11-23-2009, 02:55 PM
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Agreed 100%.
Why did you respond to your own post? You don't need to cover your multi user accounts.

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11-23-2009, 03:39 PM
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Always compete. Shed vets on expiring contracts absolutely. Intentionally tank?

Never. City of Champions.
Succinctly put. That's a big + 1.

Because it doesn't matter if you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

No, really, compete all the way and make the GM/Coaches earn their pay. Tanking is the easy way out with no guarantee of success.

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11-23-2009, 03:55 PM
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FAns won't allow the Oilers to tank. It was in a Power Ranking on CBS a while ago that said this.
The general "Im an Oilers fan cuz its cool to be an Oilers fan" fan might think so. This is the group that keeps shouting "shoot" when the pass was the better option. A hockey fan that understands the current state of the team well enough knows that a tank might be our saviour. Maybe even a real one to run over the ****** players on the team too

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11-23-2009, 03:59 PM
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Succinctly put. That's a big + 1.

Because it doesn't matter if you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

No, really, compete all the way and make the GM/Coaches earn their pay. Tanking is the easy way out with no guarantee of success.
I think 3 years is enough evaluation of our team and where it's heading. No clear cut leader to lead [unlike when Pronger was here] them to the promise land. When Moreau is the "leader" and Hemsky is the player you build upon, your team will only be as good as Hemsky is and he's not that good, as much as I hate to say it.

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11-23-2009, 04:40 PM
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commitment is what we need. there are several options, but we need to stick with one for more than 1 or 2 seasons

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11-23-2009, 04:43 PM
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The general "Im an Oilers fan cuz its cool to be an Oilers fan" fan might think so. This is the group that keeps shouting "shoot" when the pass was the better option. A hockey fan that understands the current state of the team well enough knows that a tank might be our saviour. Maybe even a real one to run over the ****** players on the team too
Problem with this is that the fan you first listed is probably the fan that is more likely to spend their bucks on season tickets. So far this organization has stated with their actions that they are far more concerned with getting your bucks than improving the team.

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11-23-2009, 07:01 PM
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Doesn't matter. The fact they sucked long enough, stocked enough 1st overall picks that they are reaping the benefits. Obviously the Oilers wouldn't be in that boat but when a) the team is sucking badly and b) the upcoming draft has 2 players believed to be bonafide stars, what have you got to lose?
Self respect.

But then again, give unto ceasar and all that.

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11-23-2009, 07:25 PM
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tanking is our best option because the alternatives obviously haven't worked..although our drafting is so bad, i'm not sure if our scouting staff could make competent high first round picks (i still don't see anything special about gagner despite the hype on these boards)..

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11-23-2009, 07:32 PM
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Tell that to Chicago and Pittsburgh.
Tell that to St Louis and Phoenix. They've both tanked and didnt pick up anyone to build around. They've both selected higher draft picks than the Oilers ever had and they havent risen above bubble status.

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11-23-2009, 08:00 PM
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Tell that to St Louis and Phoenix. They've both tanked and didnt pick up anyone to build around. They've both selected higher draft picks than the Oilers ever had and they havent risen above bubble status.
Erik Johnson, Berglund, Oshie and Perron are players to build around.

Hanzal, Michaelik, Mueller?, Boedker, Porter and Turris could all be players.

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11-23-2009, 08:39 PM
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Erik Johnson, Berglund, Oshie and Perron are players to build around.

Hanzal, Michaelik, Mueller?, Boedker, Porter and Turris could all be players.
St Louis picked Johnson at #1. Would he be worth tanking a season? Would that appease the fans?

Phoenix picked Turris at #3. Same question.

Tanking isnt the answer, becasue you arent guaranteed to get "that" player that will change things. Those 2 players are good players, but they arent a team-changer like Ovechkin or Crosby or someone like that. You could waste the season and end up with another good player that doesnt make an immediate difference, and youre not really in that much better of a situation.

Edit: OK, did the GDT just disappear?

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11-23-2009, 08:50 PM
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Tell that to Chicago and Pittsburgh.
How about LA or Ottawa too? Even Toronto. Risk reward is not worth it!

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11-23-2009, 08:58 PM
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What really needs to change is the way the draft is done. Why should crappy teams always get the best picks? I think there needs to be a limit so you don't have a single team getting a top 3 pick 3 years in a row.

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11-23-2009, 09:05 PM
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Erik Johnson, Berglund, Oshie and Perron are players to build around.

Hanzal, Michaelik, Mueller?, Boedker, Porter and Turris could all be players.
Mueller sure hasn't been impressive.

and if that's the case, we can say that Eberle, MPS, and Lander could all be players.

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11-23-2009, 09:13 PM
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This team doesn't need to tank any longer than this season. They've got MPS, Eberle, and Omark taking a shot at a roster spot next season. Add Taylor Hall and it's possible that they've got their number one center. Drop Moreau, Pisani, Nilsson, and Staios, sign some gritty big guys for the bottom six, and they're set.

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11-23-2009, 10:39 PM
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This team doesn't need to tank any longer than this season. They've got MPS, Eberle, and Omark taking a shot at a roster spot next season. Add Taylor Hall and it's possible that they've got their number one center. Drop Moreau, Pisani, Nilsson, and Staios, sign some gritty big guys for the bottom six, and they're set.
I agree. Many of us have been on the dive for top five for a lot of successive years - and we've never got there (Gagner was close to top 5 - but I'm in the camp that doesn't think he's going to be a top liner. Neither is Eberle, IMO). I think MPS and Hemsky are quality top liners. We just need one more from this draft. If we land Hall or Seguin, perhaps even that Russian kid (?) then I for one will be done hoping for another dive.

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11-23-2009, 10:41 PM
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This team is going to finish 9th in the west.Bank on it

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11-23-2009, 10:48 PM
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This team is going to finish 9th in the west.Bank on it
I think we can all agree that this is a painful realistic possibility.

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Im saying if we don't make the spring dance and we're low enough, just tank that season. Maybe its this season, maybe its next.

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11-23-2009, 11:06 PM
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Tell that to St Louis and Phoenix. They've both tanked and didnt pick up anyone to build around. They've both selected higher draft picks than the Oilers ever had and they havent risen above bubble status.
Erik Johnson and Pietrangelo are going to be pretty good players.

You bring up a good point with Pheonix but remember their young guys are still developing. OEL Turris and Boedker are not in the league.

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11-23-2009, 11:31 PM
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I think some might just be forgetting that Chicago's turnaround really began with the death of Bill Wirtz, and his son Rocky taking over. Wanna talk about 'changes of culture'? There's one right there for you.

I have an idea. How about simply drafting better, which as we all know, doesn't necessarily mean a higher pick.

An earlier poster made mention of 'lack of plan'? Maybe Lowe did have a 5yr plan and you know, 'best plans waylaid' and all that. My point is that he didn't fight to stick to it very hard. Probably reasons beyond reasons, and us fans are part of the equation. I'd sure love to see a plan.

Tanking/Rebuilding means that there are going to be a lot of fans who are going to chew off their own feet. And to think some of us are over-sensitive now...

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11-24-2009, 12:05 AM
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I think some might just be forgetting that Chicago's turnaround really began with the death of Bill Wirtz, and his son Rocky taking over. Wanna talk about 'changes of culture'? There's one right there for you.

I have an idea. How about simply drafting better, which as we all know, doesn't necessarily mean a higher pick.

An earlier poster made mention of 'lack of plan'? Maybe Lowe did have a 5yr plan and you know, 'best plans waylaid' and all that. My point is that he didn't fight to stick to it very hard. Probably reasons beyond reasons, and us fans are part of the equation. I'd sure love to see a plan.

Tanking/Rebuilding means that there are going to be a lot of fans who are going to chew off their own feet. And to think some of us are over-sensitive now...
Drafting better?

I cant wait that long, why dont we just start winning all of the games weve been losing.

That would do it.

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11-24-2009, 12:08 AM
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Tanking isn't the answer. Certain veterans on this club have been a big time problem over the past couple of years.

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11-24-2009, 12:12 AM
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Drafting better?

I cant wait that long, why dont we just start winning all of the games weve been losing.

That would do it.
Oh, if were only so simple... Next thing you know UFA's are busting the GM's door down because they want to play here so badly.

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