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11-29-2009, 02:01 PM
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I would do Salvador for Souray. With his shot, we would have one potent power-play going into the playoffs. And Souray is no wall-flower either, plus we have Fraser and Corrente who both play a physical game.

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In 2003 we had a lot of depth of vets and solid players. We have Patty, Zach, Zajac, and Bergy to lead the offense with Rolston, Langs, and Zubrus helping. What we need is a trade for a D man(Scotty Nieds) and a experienced forward such as Fredrik Modin from the Jackets and a number two/third center Steven Reinprecht.

Parise-Zajac-Langenbrunner
Rolston-Elias-Bergfors
Pandolfo/Modin-Niedermayer/Reinprecht-Clarkson
Zharkov/Halichuk-Zubrus/Sestito-Pikkachu

Extras: PL3 Peters

Nieds Martin

Greene Salvador

White Corrente

Extras: Mottau Fraser

Marty and Danis

To The Jackets: Hoeffel and a 5th--The Jackets have good depth at LW so it would be cheap to get him.

To The Devils: Modin



To the Ducks: Oduya 4 Round--Considering its a one year contract Scott has Oduya should do it.
To the Devils: Scotty Nieds



To the Panthers: Center Prospect and PL3




These proposals stink but if we could get Modin, Reinprecht, and Scotty we would be right up there IMO.

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i dont think we need anymore forwards at all, especially when were healthy

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Why would Zubrus be a 4th line center?

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11-29-2009, 03:48 PM
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I really don't think were getting Niedermayer, I'm just in heavy doubt since I don't want to criticize Lou at all but he has not come up with a trade for a #1 D-man for 2 years straight when we were in dire need of one. I think it's not our fault but the general fact that we just don't have the players to trade because I don't think teams really care about our prospects at all. Remember, it's not about how the prospects are worth to us, but how they are worth to other teams. Although our prospects are underrated, teams don't recognize that and thus they won't make the trade.

If you seriously think offering Tebendy or Josefson to a team will change everything, then your wrong. Most teams don't give 2 ***** about Tebendy or Josefson- and that's the problem with making a trade for the Devils, especially when your seeking a very good D-man.

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I really don't think were getting Niedermayer, I'm just in heavy doubt since I don't want to criticize Lou at all but he has not come up with a trade for a #1 D-man for 2 years straight when we were in dire need of one. I think it's not our fault but the general fact that we just don't have the players to trade because I don't think teams really care about our prospects at all. Remember, it's not about how the prospects are worth to us, but how they are worth to other teams. Although our prospects are underrated, teams don't recognize that and thus they won't make the trade.

If you seriously think offering Tebendy or Josefson to a team will change everything, then your wrong. Most teams don't give 2 ***** about Tebendy or Josefson- and that's the problem with making a trade for the Devils, especially when your seeking a very good D-man.



i can guarantee you thats not true

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11-29-2009, 03:51 PM
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I really don't think were getting Niedermayer, I'm just in heavy doubt since I don't want to criticize Lou at all but he has not come up with a trade for a #1 D-man for 2 years straight when we were in dire need of one. I think it's not our fault but the general fact that we just don't have the players to trade because I don't think teams really care about our prospects at all. Remember, it's not about how the prospects are worth to us, but how they are worth to other teams. Although our prospects are underrated, teams don't recognize that and thus they won't make the trade.

If you seriously think offering Tebendy or Josefson to a team will change everything, then your wrong. Most teams don't give 2 ***** about Tebendy or Josefson- and that's the problem with making a trade for the Devils, especially when your seeking a very good D-man.
Don't mix up the knowlegde of NHL GM's and the average HF poster.

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11-29-2009, 04:24 PM
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i dont think we need anymore forwards at all, especially when were healthy
We definitely don't. We already have plenty of NHL ready forwards for the rest of the regular season. Even for the playoffs, when experience and grit count, we have guys like Zubrus, Clarkson, Pandolfo, McAmmond and Niedermayer for our bottom 6.

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I think it's not our fault but the general fact that we just don't have the players to trade because I don't think teams really care about our prospects at all. Remember, it's not about how the prospects are worth to us, but how they are worth to other teams. Although our prospects are underrated, teams don't recognize that and thus they won't make the trade.
You're seriously underrating the scouts of other teams. You had better believe there are plenty of other teams who know exactly how good our prospects are.

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11-29-2009, 05:12 PM
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I think like most people I don't want to see up make a slight upgrade like the last few years. The team right now is very good so unless it's a major upgrade I'm not sure I want it. Forwards are stacked, I think when everyone is healthy the 4 lines will be

Parise-Zajac-Bergfors
Rolston-Elias-Langs
Pandolfo-Zubrus-Clarkson
Halischuk-Niedermayer-McAmmond
Sesito/Peters(if there is a tougher team?)/Zharkov(come playoff time)

We could in theory trade a young guy, but I don't want to see it happen. Idealy, maybe we could find a team looking for a third line forward and could trade Pandolfo and give Zharkov a chance to play. Pando probably has little trade value though and a team wanting him wouldn't want to give up a player who they'd want to keep for the playoffs. Also as is, Pando, McAmmond, Halischuk and Niedermayer all have pretty interchangeable rolls.

For D we should have if healthy:
Salvador-Greene
Oduya-Martin
White-Mottau

As of now, the only guys with trade value (on d) is Greene (although probably not much) and Oduya. I'd rather trade Oduya if Greene can keep his play up because it allows us a bit more cap space. Oduya's d looked a bit shaky this year and if he were part of a trade which allowed us to upgrade on d, I'd take it. I wouldn't trade him for a sideways move or slightly upward, it's got to be the real deal (Niedermayer). I am not sure I'd trade for Souray, he is a bigger cap hit than Oduya which might hinder us in signing Zach and Martin long term. I have a feeling Mottau wont be back next year with Greene's emergence so we will need another d if we trade Oduya for a UFA, unless Corrente or Eckford is definitely ready to step up.

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11-29-2009, 05:33 PM
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I think like most people I don't want to see up make a slight upgrade like the last few years. The team right now is very good so unless it's a major upgrade I'm not sure I want it. Forwards are stacked, I think when everyone is healthy the 4 lines will be

Parise-Zajac-Bergfors
Rolston-Elias-Langs
Pandolfo-Zubrus-Clarkson
Halischuk-Niedermayer-McAmmond
Sesito/Peters(if there is a tougher team?)/Zharkov(come playoff time)

We could in theory trade a young guy, but I don't want to see it happen. Idealy, maybe we could find a team looking for a third line forward and could trade Pandolfo and give Zharkov a chance to play. Pando probably has little trade value though and a team wanting him wouldn't want to give up a player who they'd want to keep for the playoffs. Also as is, Pando, McAmmond, Halischuk and Niedermayer all have pretty interchangeable rolls.

For D we should have if healthy:
Salvador-Greene
Oduya-Martin
White-Mottau

As of now, the only guys with trade value (on d) is Greene (although probably not much) and Oduya. I'd rather trade Oduya if Greene can keep his play up because it allows us a bit more cap space. Oduya's d looked a bit shaky this year and if he were part of a trade which allowed us to upgrade on d, I'd take it. I wouldn't trade him for a sideways move or slightly upward, it's got to be the real deal (Niedermayer). I am not sure I'd trade for Souray, he is a bigger cap hit than Oduya which might hinder us in signing Zach and Martin long term. I have a feeling Mottau wont be back next year with Greene's emergence so we will need another d if we trade Oduya for a UFA, unless Corrente or Eckford is definitely ready to step up.
Right now our forward depth is simply ridiculous. When fully healthy, we've got 6 NHL grade lines worth of players.

Parise - Zajac - Langenbrunner
Rolston - Elias - Clarkson
Halischuk - Zubrus - Bergfors
Pandolfo - Niedermayer - McAmmond
Pikkarainen - Pelley - Zharkov
Leblond - Sestito - Peters

The last thing we need is another forward. The only thing I'd be tempted to add is a face-off specialist for when Zajac can't be on the ice.

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Right now our forward depth is simply ridiculous. When fully healthy, we've got 6 NHL grade lines worth of players.

Parise - Zajac - Langenbrunner
Rolston - Elias - Clarkson
Halischuk - Zubrus - Bergfors
Pandolfo - Niedermayer - McAmmond
Pikkarainen - Pelley - Zharkov
Leblond - Sestito - Peters

The last thing we need is another forward. The only thing I'd be tempted to add is a face-off specialist for when Zajac can't be on the ice.
true enough about the forwards, but it's also a perfect opportunity to deal 2 players with individual skills for 1 that has both those skillsets (like a power foward/faceoff specialist or sniper/faceoff guy, etc...) rather than use 2 slots for those skills, upgrade to 1 person that has both and costs less overall and allows a youngster to slide up a position on the depth chart.

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true enough about the forwards, but it's also a perfect opportunity to deal 2 players with individual skills for 1 that has both those skillsets (like a power foward/faceoff specialist or sniper/faceoff guy, etc...) rather than use 2 slots for those skills, upgrade to 1 person that has both and costs less overall and allows a youngster to slide up a position on the depth chart.
But who do you move? I'd love to move Pandolfo and someone and pick up a face-off and PK guy (say, Steckel from Washington), but we can't move Pandolfo because of his contract.

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But who do you move? I'd love to move Pandolfo and someone and pick up a face-off and PK guy (say, Steckel from Washington), but we can't move Pandolfo because of his contract.
I don't really have a specific trade in mind right now; but I just think from a tactical viewpoint you have to look to combine players in a 2 or 3 for 1 type of move to a team that is rebuilding for the future.

Also if you're that deep with young talent; draft picks can be dealt as well (but not a first rounder unless it's a legit superstar or Arnott )

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We need a face off guy. That's why I'd like to see Elias-?-Rolston and no, not Zubrus, because he's not a faceoff guy either. Patty went 3/11 yesterday on the draws........

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We need a face off guy. That's why I'd like to see Elias-?-Rolston and no, not Zubrus, because he's not a faceoff guy either. Patty went 3/11 yesterday on the draws........
I'm thinking Eric Belanger and have been for a while. Unless there's a RW out there who's good on draws, since I think Patty works best in the middle other than on the face-off dot.

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I'm thinking Eric Belanger and have been for a while. Unless there's a RW out there who's good on draws, since I think Patty works best in the middle other than on the face-off dot.
Yeah, Belanger is a C/W type player. We just need one, can't go into the playoffs losing faceoffs, it just can't happen.

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I know everyone is saying no need for anymore forwards and not to be redundant, but I would love to add Colby Armstrong if Atlanta is out of the race by the trade deadline. He's a mean SOB, with decent hands. Also, Bergfors made some mistakes defensively in yesterday's game against the Isles that made me cringe. He needs to pick it up his game again, because it's been faltering. And come the playoffs, I rather see him as posted by others on a 3rd line with Zub. Move Clarkson up with Elias and Rolston

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i love Bergfors with Elias. why mess with that?

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I know everyone is saying no need for anymore forwards and not to be redundant, but I would love to add Colby Armstrong if Atlanta is out of the race by the trade deadline. He's a mean SOB, with decent hands. Also, Bergfors made some mistakes defensively in yesterday's game against the Isles that made me cringe. He needs to pick it up his game again, because it's been faltering. And come the playoffs, I rather see him as posted by others on a 3rd line with Zub. Move Clarkson up with Elias and Rolston
Line combos for the playoffs? A lot can happen in 4 months.

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i love Bergfors with Elias. why mess with that?
It may just be me, but in that playoffs, the line may need more muscle than what Rolston, Elias and Bergie can offer, although at his best, Elias can be physical and good on the boards

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Line combos for the playoffs? A lot can happen in 4 months.
Well, I know we're making the playoffs, so other than injuries, why not have fun? Plus, I know from watching this team the past several years, Lou will need to make one or two moves if he want's this team to go deep in the playoffs.

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i love Bergfors with Elias. why mess with that?
I honestly don't see any chemistry between them, not like Bergfors had with Zubrus.

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A "help the Oil re-build/what will you give for Souray?" thread has just begun on the trade board.

One Oil fan is asking for prospects/picks and a bad contract.

A little early isn't it?

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A "help the Oil re-build/what will you give for Souray?" thread has just begun on the trade board.

One Oil fan is asking for prospects/picks and a bad contract.

A little early isn't it?
Not really. They just lost Hemsky for the year, the Oilers are done.

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Still wish we could've landed Ehrhoff. The guy is very solid both offensively and defensively..

That was robbery. Patrick White isn't anything special (despite being a first rounder) and Rahimi is back in Sweden..

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