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11-15-2009, 04:38 PM
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Improve the Rangers

This doesn't have to be 100% realistic but if you had to improve the Rangers today, discuss what trades you would complete (you need to give at a realistic price though), that would make the team better.

I'll throw one out there.

I think NY needs to do anything in their power to get Kovalchuk. If that means trading Staal and a couple of firsts I would do it. b/c frankly, talents like that are so rare. Imagine sticking Anisimov between Gaborik and Kovalchuk.

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11-15-2009, 04:43 PM
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Rangers Get:
Kevin Bieska (3.75 through 2010-2011)

Vancouver Gets:
Daniel Girardi (1.55 RFA @ year's end)
Christopher Higgins (2.25 UFA @ year's end)

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11-15-2009, 04:56 PM
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Get a top flight, playmaking center (I'm still on the Brad Richards bandwagon, though I know it won't happen. He'd also give us a second viable PP unit).
Get some secondary scoring (Ponikarovsky, Patrick Sharp).
Get a nasty, crease clearing defenseman (Shane O'Brien)
Stop trying to make Staal into Bobby Orr (great Shutdown d-man. Just let him do his thing).

I'm aware the above are all unrealistic. I'm just in my own mind the type of things that would make the Rangers a better team.

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11-15-2009, 05:00 PM
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I think most teams in the league probably have similar interests.

-Most teams could use secondary scoring
-Most teams could use a physical presence at the blue-line
-Most teams could use size up front. Power-forwards with hands

I think what this team needs the most, is patience. I want to see how they look in January and February before I start posting what we need and so on.

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11-15-2009, 05:01 PM
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I think Vanek should be our backup plan if we can't get Kovalchuk. Either way, we desperately need another 30-40 goal scorer besides Gaborik.

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11-15-2009, 05:08 PM
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I don't think 1 individual will remedy the issue's we're having either. You can bring in Kovalchuk, and we're still going to be prone to making defensive mistakes.

This team, isn't really a team yet. They don't play like it. It takes time to really understand what they need since we're not 100% sure what we have.

On paper, we seem to be flooded with wingers. Tweeners, mostly. Kotalik's, Callahan's, Higgins, Lisin etc. On our blue-line, we have 4 guys 25 and under, and 2 over 30 with enormous contracts.

Moving one of those veteran dmen isn't going to be easy. On top of that, moving them and expecting someone like Sang's to step in could be disastrous(Although that's a move I'd love to make).

I can see a couple of scenario's being played out, like Rozsival+Higgins+ for a top-6 forward or defensemen. I don't see Prospal being moved. Neither guys like Dubinsky or Callahan.

We didn't give up a prospect like Korpi, for Lisin, just to move them as they seem to be playing better.

Avery could have been had by most teams for half his salary, so I don't see him being traded.

Drury has a NMC, one he's probably not willing to waive. Gaborik, Lundqvist, and Staal aren't going anywhere.

Prospects on defense that we may be able to move are guys like Sauer, Potter, and so on. But they're not going to fetch us anything of significant value, so they're nothing but throw-ins for something bigger.

I don't see too many players that can be moved, other than Rozy+Higgins. Unless you start dangling names in like Grachev/Stepan/Sang's, I don't think those two will get you a player that can have the type of impact people are expecting from a trade.

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11-15-2009, 05:09 PM
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I would improve the Rangers by using patience and time to develop our young core of players. I would improve the Rangers by not spending every single cap dollar the second it becomes available. I would keep the Marc Staals and first round picks instead of trading them for pending UFAs. I would wait for either the opportunity to move or the contracts to expire for Drury, Redden, Roszival and add complimentary players instead of declining vets who somehow are meant to become the core. I realize this isn't sexy, especially for the contingent that wants to add every UFA every summer, but it is practical and feasible under the cap.

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11-15-2009, 05:19 PM
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Milan Lucic.

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11-15-2009, 05:24 PM
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Do what you can to get Patrick Sharp and to a lesser extent Kris Versteeg out of Chicago. The Hawks are also going to re-sign Duncan Keith too, perhaps Cam Barker or Nik Hjalmarsson are available. I see plenty of opportunity for trade between the Rangers and Hawks.

Maybe something built around Girardi and Higgins can get something done to land a package like Sharp and Hjalmarsson if going after Kovalchuk fails. The Rangers would probably have to add a mid round pick or mid tier prospect, but boy oh boy, I'd love to get my hands on Sharp if possible.

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11-15-2009, 05:29 PM
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I think Vanek should be our backup plan if we can't get Kovalchuk. Either way, we desperately need another 30-40 goal scorer besides Gaborik.
Not to put all our eggs in one basket, but that could easily be Grachev by the time next season is ready to start.

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11-15-2009, 05:36 PM
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Not to put all our eggs in one basket, but that could easily be Grachev by the time next season is ready to start.
"The mystery box could be anything. It could even be a boat."

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Dubinsky + Sanguinetti + Girardi + 1st '10

for Lucic + Bergeron

Higgins + Byers + Sauer

Bieksa


Rozsival + 4th '10

A. Kostistyn

Line-up:

Prospal-Bergeron-Gaborik
Lucic-Anisimov-Kostitsyn
Callahan-Drury-Lisin/Avery
Lisin/Avery-Boyle-Voros/Brashear

Redden-Gilroy
Staal-MDZ
Bieksa-Heikenen

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11-15-2009, 05:44 PM
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My first trade would be
Roszival, Staal, Dubinsky, 1st 2010, 1st 2011

for

Kovalchuk - pending extension

My second trade would be

Drury, Callahan, Gilroy
for
Martin Havlat

then sign some UFAs
Mike Comrie
Shaone Morrison

The next year team would look like

Kovalchuk-Anisimov-Gaborik
Prospal-Comrie-Havlat
Grachev-Stepan-Kotalik
Avery-Boyle-Callahan

Del Zotto- Redden
Morrisonn-Sanguinetti
Girardi-McDonagh

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11-15-2009, 05:55 PM
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improve the rangers..... heres what i would do now and it does not depend on trades whic hare tough to pull off. at this time of the year is garbage for garbage usually.

-cut our losses with rozy- move him for anything even a pick to clear space

-drury does not return this season- ltir

-voros is history- waivers and hartford

-brashear plays only sparingly

these moves create space for........

-heik or sangs. dont give me the too many rookies crap. right now, today, our best dmen are wade and mdz- a rookie. both those guys could handle rozys limited 3rd line minutes.

-no drury means or centers look like this going forward short term

vinny
arty
higgins
boyle

when dubi comes back

vinny
arty
dubi
boyle

not perfect but certainly decent enough to get to the deadline.

-no voros means the sooner grachev gets here

-brash only occasionally means byers plays more minutes.

save any and all cap space until the deadline when we can be buyers and look for value.

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11-15-2009, 06:02 PM
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I would look to improve the team by trading AWAY salary. We don't need any more 7 million dollar guys. This team isn't going the distance THIS YEAR so why trade away assets and create an even worse cap hell? Keep looking towards the future...this can be a very good team in a year or two.

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11-15-2009, 06:08 PM
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My first trade would be
Roszival, Staal, Dubinsky, 1st 2010, 1st 2011

for

Kovalchuk - pending extension

My second trade would be

Drury, Callahan, Gilroy
for
Martin Havlat

then sign some UFAs
Mike Comrie
Shaone Morrison

The next year team would look like

Kovalchuk-Anisimov-Gaborik
Prospal-Comrie-Havlat
Grachev-Stepan-Kotalik
Avery-Boyle-Callahan

Del Zotto- Redden
Morrisonn-Sanguinetti
Girardi-McDonagh
why would you give up so much for Havlat? He's not only been a horrible dissapointment this season in the scoring department, but he's not a great two-way forward, his contract sucks, and he's always hurt.

And Comrie? Really? I think I just puked in my mouth a little bit.

I don't see Stepan being ready next year either.

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11-15-2009, 06:10 PM
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My first trade would be
Roszival, Staal, Dubinsky, 1st 2010, 1st 2011

for

Kovalchuk - pending extension

My second trade would be

Drury, Callahan, Gilroy
for
Martin Havlat

then sign some UFAs
Mike Comrie
Shaone Morrison

The next year team would look like

Kovalchuk-Anisimov-Gaborik
Prospal-Comrie-Havlat
Grachev-Stepan-Kotalik
Avery-Boyle-Callahan

Del Zotto- Redden
Morrisonn-Sanguinetti
Girardi-McDonagh
and so we just dont resign lisin then since he missing.

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11-15-2009, 06:11 PM
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Dubinsky + Sanguinetti + Girardi + 1st '10

for Lucic + Bergeron

Higgins + Byers + Sauer

Bieksa


Rozsival + 4th '10

A. Kostistyn

Line-up:

Prospal-Bergeron-Gaborik
Lucic-Anisimov-Kostitsyn
Callahan-Drury-Lisin/Avery
Lisin/Avery-Boyle-Voros/Brashear

Redden-Gilroy
Staal-MDZ
Bieksa-Heikenen
I don't think Bergeron is much of an upgrade over Dubinsky as our 1st line center. He hasn't been the same player he was before he got hurt. I hate Kotitsyn on our 2nd line too, I'd rather have Lisin there.

It'd be great if we could get Bieska for that, I don't see it though.

And I've seen Roszival getting mentioned going the other way for the Kotitsyn's or at least Andrei, but do the Habs even want a defenseman? Let alone Roszival...? Does that even work in terms of cap space either?

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Perfect! And totally appropriate. If Grachev got us Vanek, do it.

Though Vanek's contract probably wouldn't work here.

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why would you give up so much for Havlat? He's not only been a horrible dissapointment this season in the scoring department, but he's not a great two-way forward, his contract sucks, and he's always hurt.

And Comrie? Really? I think I just puked in my mouth a little bit.

I don't see Stepan being ready next year either.
Well the thing is Drury has really low value, so i figured we'd need to take another contract in return...and then add some value.
My only issue with Gilroy is i think 1.75 mil is too much for what he will do. I think that will free up some cap space. Maybe something in return from Minni would be possible, maybe a pick?

Comrie...honestly, he was the only affordable guy i could think of that could be a temp 2nd line centre...
Maybe Stajan, Cullen, Lang, Conroy

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Not to put all our eggs in one basket, but that could easily be Grachev by the time next season is ready to start.
Trxjw has a point. Never in a million years did I think someone could use Family guy to make a point but he did it. And a logical point in that. I'm in shock.

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Redden or drury + higgins+ McD for lecaviler
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I'd have a fire sale personally.

Issue #1 to address = TOUGHNESS

teams that out work and physically pound the opposition on a game by game basis, along with some talent of course, WIN

Dubinsky, Callahan, Henrik, and DZ are the only untouchables imo. Dubi and Cally could be had in the right deal obviously but losing them doesn't help our main priority.

- Waive Brashear
- Trade Lisin, Kotalik, Prospal, Higgins, Drury, Rozi for certain. Boyle and Voros have so little value, forget trading them.
- We're stuck with Redden, probably Drury too

Absolutly NO Kovalchuk, LecV, etc. NO big names! I'd trade Gabby if I could.

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team needs another go to guy who can pot 30g+ to support Gaborik.

I'm surprised Sather didn't pursue Healtey more, he's the real deal, even
Kessler.

This team also needs another degree of nastiness. A PF that can play the body.

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I think Vanek should be our backup plan if we can't get Kovalchuk. Either way, we desperately need another 30-40 goal scorer besides Gaborik.
I know this was a pretty early post in the thread, but I'm just wondering, why Vanek? Capgeek says he is signed until 2014, and I don't think we should give up the pieces necessary to acquire him.

I do agree that we do need another offensive threat. So we canm have a one-two punch type of thing on offense.

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