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12-02-2009, 07:59 PM
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As strong as he is in the faceoff circle, why would they be doing this?
The Sharks are one of the best--if not the best--faceoff teams in the league, even if they'd never heard of Manny. Nothing stopping them from using him in that capacity even if he's on the wing, though.

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12-03-2009, 07:53 AM
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I havn't really seen anything where I was like wow great defensive play by Sammy. Instead soon as he comes on the ice i know for the next ~30-45 seconds we arnt going to score.
Short memory. He was outstanding the first 20 games or so. Average in some respects since. I never thought we were going to score much when his line was on the ice, so I'm trying to figure out the point. Unless you are trying to say Manny would have been better as our checking line center. In which case, I'd have to strongly disagree.

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12-03-2009, 01:03 PM
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If you were expecting points from Pahlsson, I'd have to ask you why?

Pahlsson is a superior player to Manny in terms of what we're looking for him to do. I could care less if Sammy doesn't score a goal all season, he's still more valuable than Malhotra. The team doesn't need, or miss Manny.

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12-04-2009, 10:46 PM
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Short memory. He was outstanding the first 20 games or so. Average in some respects since. I never thought we were going to score much when his line was on the ice, so I'm trying to figure out the point. Unless you are trying to say Manny would have been better as our checking line center. In which case, I'd have to strongly disagree.
I think Manny is the better all around player and I think we would be better off financially and on the win column with Manny on our team.

I also think Sammy's lack of offensive vision is hurting his line, just look at Chimera.

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12-04-2009, 11:09 PM
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I think Manny is the better all around player and I think we would be better off financially and on the win column with Manny on our team.

I also think Sammy's lack of offensive vision is hurting his line, just look at Chimera.
Manny originally wouldn't sign here because he was not satisfied with the offer(s) he recieved. He turned down a lot of money from Atlanta. The only reason he took lesser money in San Jose is because he priced himself out of what most teams were willing to pay for a guy like him. There's also the rumor that San Jose has promised him more money next year when they are not as close to the cap limit.

As far as Chimmer goes, he is pretty much on pace to get around what he's always gotten in terms of points. He got off to a hot start because he got to play with Brass and Voracek. His points weren't coming from playing on a line with Manny.

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12-07-2009, 06:56 AM
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Blunden has also played with Sammy most of the time and he also is having trouble finding the score sheet. Basically in the offensive zone Sammy dosen't help whereas Manny would be a big improvement.

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12-10-2009, 09:42 AM
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Sami Pahlsson

First, I'll start off by saying that I am a fan of the game above all else - and I'm aware that points are not everything in the NHL.

That being said, am I the only one disappointed in the amount of money we spent on Sami Pahlsson? He came advertized as an elite 3rd line center that would log minutes against other teams' top lines, while also adding depth up front.

For the amount of money, I don't seem to notice him being on the ice very often; and when he does I'm generally unimpressed with his capabilities. Maybe he's a Claude Lemieux-type player that only does what he does during the playoffs? Am I just missing something?

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12-10-2009, 10:32 AM
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I'd rather have Manny than Sammy. I really haven't seen any eye popping shut-down ability from him out there, he basically has looked like a poor man's Malholtra. I'd much rather have someone else on the 3rd line for sure.

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12-10-2009, 12:27 PM
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The Sharks are one of the best--if not the best--faceoff teams in the league, even if they'd never heard of Manny. Nothing stopping them from using him in that capacity even if he's on the wing, though.
He's taking about 10 faceoffs a game, and at 62% is second in the league in that category. No big suprise there, that was always Manny's strong suit. I think shutdown starts with the faceoff. I don't expect Pahlsson to win faceoffs at the same clip Manny did, its what he is supposed to be doing without the puck that is lacking.

I heard Portzline on 1460/97.1 Tuesday night. His opinion(for what its worth) is that the biggest problem in the lockerroom right now is the absence of Peca, and on the ice, the absence of Malhotra. AP was never a big Manny fan. That being said, there has to be some veteran guys step in the lockeroom to take Peca's place, and on the ice we need some maturity down the middle. This is a good team, I like what Howson has done overall.

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12-10-2009, 10:41 PM
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I'm not all that impressed with Pahlsson, in saying that he must be doing his job because I rarely notice him..

I'd rather have a circa 2006-7 Peca....

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12-11-2009, 07:42 AM
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The problem is not that we gave up Manny and Peca.
And the problem is not that we signed Pahlsson.

The problem is that all three of them, and several others on the current roster, like Commodore, did not significantly improve the quality of our team.

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12-11-2009, 09:50 AM
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My bad - didn't scroll down far enough to see the original thread, hence the new post.

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I guess I am in the minority but I like Pahlsson and what he brings to the table. He always seems to be in the right place at the right time with a poke check or a stick check, he wins face-offs and doesn't ever seem to be out of position. He's got 8 points, is a +1 and has only taken 5 minor penalties all year, usually playing against the other team's top line. I'll take that any day of the week over a face-off specialist who was a streaky scorer at best and played decent defense.

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12-11-2009, 11:07 AM
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I think Pahlsson has been exactly as advertised. Much better than Malhotra too.

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12-11-2009, 12:17 PM
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Sammy's benefit is during the playoffs. Regardless of how good he is defenisvely during this regular season, we're still next to dead last (thanks to Trana with 2 more goals against) in goals against.

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12-11-2009, 12:43 PM
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I think Pahlsson has been exactly as advertised. Much better than Malhotra too.
Exactly, he is much better than Manny. I'm not sure why everyone is so hard on Sammy.

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12-11-2009, 06:26 PM
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The problem is not that we gave up Manny and Peca.
And the problem is not that we signed Pahlsson.

The problem is that all three of them, and several others on the current roster, like Commodore, did not significantly improve the quality of our team.
Kudos, great point.

Does the dollar amount of said players effect how people view them when they are coming to town? Example: if we had signed Pahlsson to come here for around $1 mill, would people be so hard judging him?

Honestly, my only gripe is that we could find a better way to spend such money. Pahlsson is a third line center, I understand that - but even the Jacket faithful have to admit that he's a high-priced one.

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Kudos, great point.

Does the dollar amount of said players effect how people view them when they are coming to town? Example: if we had signed Pahlsson to come here for around $1 mill, would people be so hard judging him?

Honestly, my only gripe is that we could find a better way to spend such money. Pahlsson is a third line center, I understand that - but even the Jacket faithful have to admit that he's a high-priced one.
Personally, I could care less about their contract. It should be all about quality of play. Commo still looks like he's recuperating. Pahlsson was injured too and seems invisble when he's out there.

If Peca and Manny had scored a few more goals for us, they'd both still be a Blue Jackets. Non-scoring forwards making over $1 mil, beware.

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Exactly, he is much better than Manny. I'm not sure why everyone is so hard on Sammy.
They are hard on him because they think everyone on the team needs to have 15+ goals. Sammi has been doing fine in my opinion.

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12-12-2009, 10:34 AM
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Exactly, he is much better than Manny. I'm not sure why everyone is so hard on Sammy.
Yeah... i mean the other day when he had that sort of breakaway, and missed the damn net with his shot I was kinda miffed... until I remembered how many times Malhotra had done that too.

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Everyone expects more from Pahlsson based on what he's being paid and what Manny is now playing in SJ for....

The Jackets acquired Pahlsson SPECIFICALLY for the playoffs... Malhotra looked like a lost little boy against Detroit.

Basically, if this team doesn't make the playoffs, then Pahlsson move turns out to be a huge waste of money.

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12-12-2009, 10:45 AM
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Personally, I could care less about their contract. It should be all about quality of play. Commo still looks like he's recuperating. Pahlsson was injured too and seems invisble when he's out there.

If Peca and Manny had scored a few more goals for us, they'd both still be a Blue Jackets. Non-scoring forwards making over $1 mil, beware.
My point exactly.

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12-14-2009, 12:42 PM
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Personally, I could care less about their contract. It should be all about quality of play. Commo still looks like he's recuperating. Pahlsson was injured too and seems invisble when he's out there.

If Peca and Manny had scored a few more goals for us, they'd both still be a Blue Jackets. Non-scoring forwards making over $1 mil, beware.
I used to feel that way too. But not anymore, not with the current financial mess the team is in.

Commodore was overpaid, and so was Pahlsson. These guys are paid premium for what Scott Howson perceives as "character". Its time to see some character from someone besides Dorsett and Nash(sometimes).

* Here comes the rant, not directed at you JF *

Some of you guys say Manny looked bad in the playoffs last year, and you're right, but lets not forget, 1) He was playing 1st line out of necessity not qualification, 2) Manny is far from the only guy that looked "lost" on the ice.

SJ hit one out of the park when they signed Manny for 700k, and the circumstances aside, Howson crapped his pants paying over triple that for a guy that has done little for this team up to this point. If you haven't been dissapointed in Pahlsson so far this season, than exactly how low were you're expecations?


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SJ hit one out of the park when they signed Manny for 700k, and the circumstances aside, Howson crapped his pants paying over triple that for a guy that has done little for this team up to this point. If you haven't been dissapointed in Pahlsson so far this season, than exactly how low were you're expecations?
The problem is the Jackets didn't have the luxury of some other team dumping Manny and putting him out of work to the point where he was desperate enough to take a $700k contract. Would I have taken Manny at $700k hell yes, 1M, hell yes, 1.5, Yes, 2, probably not.

That said, no Phalsson isn't living up to salary expectations, but he hasn't been horrible either.

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If Sammy, or is it Samuel now, scored on that breakaway the other night, ..........

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