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11-25-2009, 08:46 AM
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I guess that in some ways, the cap sucks. Guys like Spacek could become expandable next season. Not sure what will come of Gomez too. I like his game and all but no result on the score sheet. Laraques could be sent to Hamilton since he can only play here and there at 50%.....someone could claim him but I dought it.
Hamrlik is an interesting guy to have. Big cap hit but is certainly a good gamble for an other team if we where to go that way. MAB comes off the books and same with Metro, Leach and Mara.
In the end, wen a team wants to keep a guy, there are option and teams always use them. Remember Mogilny in Jersey.......Yashin in NYI is an other one but that hit them hard on the books.

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11-25-2009, 08:50 AM
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I am glad!

Plekanec = 5 years / 20 million dollars
Metropolit = 3 years / 3.75 million dollars
The Plek figure is right. It's going to cost 4 mil per to sign him, and IMO he's worth it. He's had one bad year but otherwise he's developed steadily since his time in Hamilton. Compare that to Higgins who five years ago looked to be arguably the better prospect. Not any more.

As fro Metro, no way he gest resigned at 1 mil plus. Habs simply don't have the cap room. Right now Tom Pyatt's taking his slot next year. Course if Metro wants to take a hometown discount, I'd love to keep him around for 900k.

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11-25-2009, 08:52 AM
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The Plek figure is right. It's going to cost 4 mil per to sign him, and IMO he's worth it. He's had one bad year but otherwise he's developed steadily since his time in Hamilton. Compare that to Higgins who five years ago looked to be arguably the better prospect. Not any more.

As fro Metro, no way he gest resigned at 1 mil plus. Habs simply don't have the cap room. Right now Tom Pyatt's taking his slot next year. Course if Metro wants to take a hometown discount, I'd love to keep him around for 900k.
I agree also about Pleks, as long as it's under 4 million(Cap hit), I would be all for it.

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11-25-2009, 08:53 AM
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Gainey can squeeze an extension in this year only because Price, Halak and Mara have expiring SPC's, but man if Plekanec gets what the market pays Gainey is going to have a hell of a time icing this team under the cap next year.

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11-25-2009, 09:00 AM
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OK before everyone goes nuts on a BIG Pleks new contract, lets find out what the habs can get for him. It seems he is worth from4-5 mil per and a 3-4 year contract. SO offers for him should be sky high right now. Let find out if Pleks can fetch a top center prospect and a 1st and 2nd rounder.
I think the idea is to accumulate and retain good quality NHL players like Plekanec so we can put a competitive team on the ice rather than continue to accumulate prospects and constantly be in a rebuilding mode.

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11-25-2009, 09:05 AM
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6 years 4 mil... book it...

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Offer him a bonus of designer turtle necks. "The market" will take the ditch.

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11-25-2009, 09:11 AM
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The course of action is quite simple. Try to get a contract signed at reasonable value, if not - trade him at deadline. Unless we are in a good playoff position and you keep him for the run.Would hurt but it's the only option.

I like Plek - always did. He was never ever pointed as a troublemaker or a lazy player by any coach or DG. That'S why he never lost his 2nd center position even during his weak streak. Plekanecwas never benched or punished.

I don't think the organisation was unfair with him, even on his extension. If he will decide to leave it will be for the money (and I can't blame anyone for that. Except the Traitor).

Sidenote - Gainey also said that he did not have a strict policy on not negotiating during the year. He mentioned last year as somehow special but also said that two years ago he had talks with a player during the year that were close to a signing but ultimately failed.

My guess is Mark Streit.

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11-25-2009, 09:17 AM
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It's gonna be really tough to sign Pleks. Has to be some trades coming to clear salary, cuz current #s don't add up.

Assuming the habs can get rid of BGL & cap stays same, they'll have 7.2m to sign 5 forwards, 1 Dman, and 2 goalies. Would be really sweet if cap goes up 1m.

Now...with NO RAISES.

5 forwards (Metro, Pleks, Lapierre, Patches, Sergei) at current salary cost 5.905

on D Mara is most likely gone, replaced by Rookie, so add say 0.7m

Now Habs got 12 D 6.6m, with 2 goalies still to sign, Price most likely due a million or two raise and just 0.6 left in cap.

There's gotta be a trade coming to shed salary cuz Gainey can't even afford to re-sign the current team at same salary, let alone give out some raises where they're due (at minimum Price, Pleks).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Andrei Kostitsyn & Hall Gill moved during summer 2010, or at deadline if Habs out of playoffs. With those two salaries replaced by rookies/plugs you get the 4 million needed to give Plek, Price a raise with some leftover for Metro & others.

Maybe Gainey has some major trade in works to move Hamrlik or Gomez, that would clear lots of salary too, but both those guys are more valuable to team than Andrei and Gill so I would say this is unlikely, plus he would have to replace their critical roles (#1 c and top 3 Dman) with a UFA also so that would negate most savings.

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11-25-2009, 09:21 AM
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I hope Gainey will wait. The big concern with Pleks remains: can he keep playing like that in the playoffs.
I hope Gainey doesn't wait. The big concern with the Habs remains: can anyone play like Pleks can during the regular season

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11-25-2009, 09:23 AM
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LOL @ Gainey's excuse

It's funny though because I came on to post a thread "Do you think Gainey should veto his own rule to sign Plek?"

I get here and there already is one, I guess Gainey isn't that stubborn after all.

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11-25-2009, 09:28 AM
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It's gonna be really tough to sign Pleks. Has to be some trades coming to clear salary, cuz current #s don't add up.

Assuming the habs can get rid of BGL & cap stays same, they'll have 7.2m to sign 5 forwards, 1 Dman, and 2 goalies. Would be really sweet if cap goes up 1m.

Now...with NO RAISES.

5 forwards (Metro, Pleks, Lapierre, Patches, Sergei) at current salary cost 5.905

on D Mara is most likely gone, replaced by Rookie, so add say 0.7m

Now Habs got 12 D 6.6m, with 2 goalies still to sign, Price most likely due a million or two raise and just 0.6 left in cap.

There's gotta be a trade coming to shed salary cuz Gainey can't even afford to re-sign the current team at same salary, let alone give out some raises where they're due (at minimum Price, Pleks).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Andrei Kostitsyn & Hall Gill moved during summer 2010, or at deadline if Habs out of playoffs. With those two salaries replaced by rookies/plugs you get the 4 million needed to give Plek, Price a raise with some leftover for Metro & others.

Maybe Gainey has some major trade in works to move Hamrlik or Gomez, that would clear lots of salary too, but both those guys are more valuable to team than Andrei and Gill so I would say this is unlikely, plus he would have to replace their critical roles (#1 c and top 3 Dman) with a UFA also so that would negate most savings.
IMO.

Scott Gomez $7,357,142
Mike Cammalleri $6,000,000
Brian Gionta $5,000,000
* Tomas Plekanec $4,500,000
Andrei Kostitsyn $3,250,000
Travis Moen $1,500,000
Max Pacioretty $910,000
* Maxim Lapierre $900,000
* Sergei Kostitsyn $850,000 (ONE WAY)
Ryan White $850,000
* Benoit Pouliot $750,000 (ONE WAY)
* Kyle Chipchura $600,000
* Tom Pyatt $500,000 (ONE WAY)

Andrei Markov $5,750,000
Roman Hamrlik $5,500,000
Jaroslav Spacek $3,833,333
Hal Gill $2,250,000
Josh Gorges $1,100,000
Ryan O'Byrne $941,666

* Carey Price $3,500,000
* (Veteran Goaler) $500,000

BUYOUT Georges Laraque $500,000

ROSTER SIZE 22
SALARY CAP $56,800,000
PAYROLL $56,842,141
BONUSES $215,000
CAP SPACE $172,859

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11-25-2009, 09:31 AM
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LOL @ Gainey's excuse

It's funny though because I came on to post a thread "Do you think Gainey should veto his own rule to sign Plek?"

I get here and there already is one, I guess Gainey isn't that stubborn after all.
Gainey does not have a rule not to sign players during the season. That's BS. He said it himself repeatedly. Last year was particular (too many UFAs) but he did sign Koivu for instance. And just yesterday he mentioned that two years ago he had discussions almost finalised with another player during the season, probably Streit.

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11-25-2009, 09:35 AM
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One thing I will say, it's a possibility Gainey might sign him up long term, something like 8 x 6 million using cap circumvention methods. Other teams seem to be doing it and getting away with it, why can't Gainey?

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IMO.

Scott Gomez $7,357,142
Mike Cammalleri $6,000,000
Brian Gionta $5,000,000
* Tomas Plekanec $4,500,000
Andrei Kostitsyn $3,250,000
Travis Moen $1,500,000
Max Pacioretty $910,000
* Maxim Lapierre $900,000
* Sergei Kostitsyn $850,000 (ONE WAY)
Ryan White $850,000
* Benoit Pouliot $750,000 (ONE WAY)
* Kyle Chipchura $600,000
* Tom Pyatt $500,000 (ONE WAY)

Andrei Markov $5,750,000
Roman Hamrlik $5,500,000
Jaroslav Spacek $3,833,333
Hal Gill $2,250,000
Josh Gorges $1,100,000
Ryan O'Byrne $941,666

* Carey Price $3,500,000
* (Veteran Goaler) $500,000

BUYOUT Georges Laraque $500,000

ROSTER SIZE 22
SALARY CAP $56,800,000
PAYROLL $56,842,141
BONUSES $215,000
CAP SPACE $172,859
Yeah you're, I must've done some #s wrong to have them that far off. That's what happens when I do the addition manually. Went to capgeek, took 10 seconds and came up with #s that fit.

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FORWARDS
Scott Gomez $7,357,142
Mike Cammalleri $6,000,000
Brian Gionta $5,000,000
* Tomas Plekanec $4,000,000
Andrei Kostitsyn $3,250,000
Travis Moen $1,500,000
* Glen Metropolit $1,000,000
Max Pacioretty $910,000
Ryan White ($215,000) $850,000
* Sergei Kostitsyn $816,000
* Benoit Pouliot $803,000
* Maxim Lapierre $687,000
* Kyle Chipchura $500,000
* Matt D'Agostini $500,000
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov $5,750,000
Roman Hamrlik $5,500,000
Jaroslav Spacek $3,833,333
Hal Gill $2,250,000
Josh Gorges $1,100,000
Ryan O'Byrne $941,666
GOALTENDERS
* Carey Price $3,000,000
* Jaroslav Halak $775,000

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 22
SALARY CAP $56,800,000
PAYROLL $56,323,141
BONUSES $215,000
CAP SPACE $691,859
Obviously you can tweek some stuff there, but panic averted lol.

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Loyalty works both ways and Gainey didn't show any for Plek this off season. I fear he will test the market and will get a bigger offer than the habs can match because of that stupid Gomez deal.
We don't know that. Supposably both sides tried to work out a two year deal in the offseason and just couldn't come together. I don't think that means there is a lack of loyality from the club to Pleks.

I assume Plek will be re-signed by Gainey to a 3 year deal before the end of the season. I won't even guess at the dollar value.

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I say we offer him $11M/3 years, see him come back at 15.5M-16M/4 years and try to settle on 11.5-11.75M/3 years.

Seem realistic?

Also, wait for him to be slightly under a PPG performance right after xmas. (if that ever happens...)

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Trade him to a team low in the standings for a 1st round pick.

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Trade him to a team low in the standings for a 1st round pick.
Except for Hall and Seguin, it's not a very good draft year. So trading a young player who we've spent many years developing (successfully for once) and who might turn into a PPG center for a second Pouliot? Nothxbye.

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get him signed...Pleks has more points than Kovalev, Koivu, and Komisarek combined this year!

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well if this is the case , then sign up Mara for 3 more seasons before the end of the year.

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get him signed...Pleks has more points than Kovalev, Koivu, and Komisarek combined this year!
You even have the same amount of points this year as Komisarek.

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Trade him to a team low in the standings for a 1st round pick.
So we should trade him with ourself lol

Joke aside i think it's better to keep him. We seem to be having a hard time developping Offensive talent. And even if we get a Hall or Seguin there is no guarantee that either will be better than Plek or even equal.

It's like asking for more trouble, just keep him he is pretty good offensively sound defensively and coaches seems to like him a lot. It's not easy to get those kind of players

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You even have the same amount of points this year as Komisarek.
true but !!
You have a 0 in the +/- department lol he is pretty cold somewhere around -9


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true but !!
You have a 0 in the +/- department lol he is pretty cold somewhere around -9

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You better sign him, Bob! If not, Gangsta will be coming for you!

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