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11/25/09 What does the culture of the team has to change mean to you?

View Poll Results: When we read the culture of the team has to change, what does that mean to you
There is a rift between the players 2 2.82%
There is a rift between the players and coaches 2 2.82%
We have rookies, and vets, no in between 8 11.27%
No one wants to play in Edmonton (pick this and we aren't friends anymore) 2 2.82%
There is a lack of heart amongst the players 37 52.11%
other, tells us what you think is going on 20 28.17%
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11-25-2009, 08:19 PM
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I think when they talk about Culture change in Edmonton they need to stop living in the 80s and realize that you need a certain type of team to be competitive in the new NHL and as much as it loathes Edmontonians to admit it Calgary team building is much better than our team building
I would love to get an explanation for the bolded statement.

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11-25-2009, 08:23 PM
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I would love to get an explanation for the bolded statement.
So would I.

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I did a blog post recently on this subject, well sort of. More on corporate structure. It concerns me the way we are set up.

www.xtremehockey.wordpress.com

I think the prevailing factor is that our franchise has too much learn on the job rather than job training. We rush our talent to the bigs because we are on the low scale of high end talent. Since we can't sign skill, we rush it. Then they invariably make mistakes, lose confidence etc. We need to be willing to sign NHL veterans for our 4th line rather than have perpetual auditions for players going to the show. Pouliot, Jacques, Stone, Reddox, Brule, Schremp, yadda, yadda, all looking for jobs. When the Wings want a fourth liner, they sign Bertuzzi. When the Sharks want a fourth liner, they sign Malhotra. When the Flyers want a fourth liner, they sign Betts. There might be a trend there.

The other part is that our franchise strives for success, but the machine that has been built might make it down the track but doesn't have enough jam to win a drag race. We don't have the pieces to compete on the highest level, and we don't have the management that will take the time to rebuild because of the demands for competitiveness. Impenetrable force vs. Immovable Object = Perpetual Mediocrity.
This is New Thread Worthy, IMO.

So it doesn't get lost in the clutter.

I'd be interested to read the discussion on this post.

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11-26-2009, 01:31 AM
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This is New Thread Worthy, IMO.

So it doesn't get lost in the clutter.

I'd be interested to read the discussion on this post.
Comparing us to Detroit, SJ, and Philly is not realistic or fair. They are at the top of ufa destination lists. We are at the bottom. Apples to oranges.

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Comparing us to Detroit, SJ, and Philly is not realistic or fair. They are at the top of ufa destination lists. We are at the bottom. Apples to oranges.
Fair enough. But a little editing and it makes for good discussion.

-too much learn on the job rather than job training.

-We rush our talent to the bigs.

-we can't sign skill, we rush it.

-We need to be willing to sign NHL veterans for our 4th line.

-when we want a fourth liner, sign a cheap vet.

-We don't have the pieces to compete on the highest level.


(slats432 loosely quoted)

Makes a lot of sense.

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Fair enough. But a little editing and it makes for good discussion.

-too much learn on the job rather than job training.

-We rush our talent to the bigs.

-we can't sign skill, we rush it.

-We need to be willing to sign NHL veterans for our 4th line.

-when we want a fourth liner, sign a cheap vet.

-We don't have the pieces to compete on the highest level.


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Makes a lot of sense.
I agree. Add to that very poor developmental system due to no farm team and or very poorly run ones.

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I agree. Add to that very poor developmental system due to no farm team and or very poorly run ones.
Also, due to Lowe's quantity for quality approach, we ended up with way too much young players, and not nearly enough room for them to properly develop.

It's like my parents (Rin knows this) and their shopping habits. Last week a grocery store moved a crap load of milk into the reduced section because it was a few days away from expiration. My parents bought LOTS of milk. Now, they got a pretty good deal on the milk, but there is only so much room in their fridge and only so many different kinds of cheese you can make. Some of that milk is gonna spoil, and I think to a certain extent we're seeing that right now. Thinking back, the only deals where we gave up more assets than we got were...

Pronger from St. Louis
Visnovsky from LA
Penner for picks

And just since we're all depressed as hell right now, imagine that out of all the moves that did and didn't happen, that Edmonton drafted Parise and ok'd the Perry for Comrie deal...

Parise, Hemsky, Penner and Perry, we'd basically have 4 guys in the top 30 in scoring.

Ahhh, hindsight sucks.

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Hey thanks for the poll idea! Sorry I didn't quite get what you were trying to say yesterday down quite right. I only get so many characters to work with, and i was going from memory of what you said yesterday. It is certainly an interesting topic of discussion.
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