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11-25-2009, 10:28 PM
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Please remove Your Hats

Just a question for all:

At sporting events during the anthems you are always asked to remove your hat, does anyone really know why?

Even when I was younger my parents would force me to remove my hat at the dinner table or in a group meeting you are expected to remove your hat as a show of respect.....some say it is rude to leave your hat on...

So, does anyone know how or why this became a tradition??? is there a specific reason or historical event that started this??

In reality a hat is just a piece of clothing for your head....no different then socks on your feet or a watch on you wrist...

I have often wonder and asked the question and never seem to get a straight answer.........usually get the old..."well that is how I was raised" answer....

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It's just respectful. Hats are to be worn outside. I hate it when people don't bother to take it off for the anthems and even more so when people in restaurants leave them on while they're eating.

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http://www.helium.com/items/875849-e...emove-your-hat

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It's just respectful. Hats are to be worn outside. I hate it when people don't bother to take it off for the anthems and even more so when people in restaurants leave them on while they're eating.
By restaurants do you mean actual restaurants, or fast food places?

I've never worn a hat to an indoor game, but I really don't care if people leave it on.

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It's just a sign of respect.

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National Anthem's and Church for the respect factor. Why? I have no idea. As for the dinner table, screw that, im wearing my hat if it is part of my wardrobe that day. Why would I remove my hat at a restraunt?

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Its a silly, antiquated tradition.

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explains the origins of where it came from

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11-25-2009, 10:52 PM
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By restaurants do you mean actual restaurants, or fast food places?

I've never worn a hat to an indoor game, but I really don't care if people leave it on.
IMO fast food places are OK to wear them in whilst eating. My general rule is if you are standing up when you order your food, the hat can stay on.

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Its a silly, antiquated tradition.
yeah...my thoughts exactly.....lets see if there are any other Medieval traditions we can bring back.........

I honestly do not see how a hat can offend someone anymore then a shirt..pants..socks....

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11-25-2009, 11:30 PM
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It's kinda silly. In the West you remove your hat, in the East, it's respectful to cover your head ... blah, blah, blah.

It doesn't even make sense from the origin of the tradition, that Knight's would remove their face shield to show their face ... that's totally different from removing your hat, lol. The point there was to be able to see the face, which obviously is not an issue when wearing a hat to begin with.

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i never remove it.
and i never will.

personal autonomy is paramount to some bizarre nationalist/religious herd mentality. "MOVE TO IRAQ!" remove you from earth.

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yeah and I also hate holding doors open for old ladies. **** them!

I also tend to barge into a full elevator as people are trying to get off. **** them also!

****ing Commies talking over this country I tell ya!

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i never remove it.
and i never will.

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Classy

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yeah and I also hate holding doors open for old ladies. **** them!

I also tend to barge into a full elevator as people are trying to get off. **** them also!

****ing Commies talking over this country I tell ya!
I laughed so hard I cried when I read this!

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spent 2 minutes on google to contribute to the thread...came up with the following:

" The removal of the hat and the handshake originated with medieval Knights. They would lift the visor on their helmet and show their face as a sign of respect, and hold out their empty hand to show they held no weapon. The military salute evolved out of this custom, as did the removal of headgear indoors. Eventually the tradition was passed on to men of all walks of life . . . nobility as well as servants and slaves. After the Dark Ages, manners and etiquette grew to become an essential part of everyday life, and the handshake and the removal of the hat became signs of a civilized culture.

If you refuse to remove your hat out of contempt, much like refusing to shake someone's hand, then fine. You have made a conscious choice to buck society. However, if you don't remove your hat because of ignorance, then it makes you look foolish and uneducated. It would be the same as not knowing what to do when someone held out their hand for you to shake.
Need a refresher on when you should remove your hat? Here are a few guidelines:

A man should remove his hat outdoors (and indoors):
(1) when he is being introduced to someone
(2) while talking with a woman, an elder, or a a person of prominence
(3) while the National Anthem is being played, or your country's Flag is passing
(4) at a funeral, or during the passing of a funeral procession

Indoors, a man should always remove his hat, especially in a home, church, or restaurant except:
(1) in some public places such as airports
(2) In retail stores
(3) while seated at the counter of a diner or cafe
(4) in the foyers of office buildings or hotels
(5) if both hands are busy carrying packages

If in doubt, remove you hat. It is considered a sign of contempt and disrespect to leave your hat on when it would be proper to remove it."

I certainly don't endorse this...just providing perspective.

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11-26-2009, 01:13 AM
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I'm 26, have been moved out of the nest for 7 years now, and to this day my dad gets on my case about wearing a hat in the house.

my hairstyle is usually longish and spiky, but when i'm lazy, on goes the hat. I dont understand how my looking like i just rolled out of bed is better then a clean ballcap.

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i never remove it.
and i never will.

personal autonomy is paramount to some bizarre nationalist/religious herd mentality. "MOVE TO IRAQ!" remove you from earth.
Yer one of the best poster @ HF Oil... but for God's sake get over yourself...

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11-26-2009, 01:44 AM
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it's in the same category as table manners.

all "rules" put in place by the white, powerful bourgeoisies in order to continue their oppression of the working class.

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11-26-2009, 02:17 AM
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I just placed 2 separate orders for books and cd's online, this way when ever I am in any of the following situations:
(1) when he is being introduced to someone
(2) while talking with a woman, an elder, or a a person of prominence
(3) while the National Anthem is being played, or your country's Flag is passing
(4) at a funeral, or during the passing of a funeral procession

All I have to do is grab both of my parcels and I will be excused of removing my hat at funerals, I think i may wear a sombrero that day.

In all reality though i can see wearing a hat to a formal type dinner would be rude as it would definitely obstruct your eye contact during dinner conversations. Funerals make sense, if you don't care enough about the person to at least do your hair then why are you there?

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Reading many of the posts in this thread reminds me that I live in Alberta.

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I cant find any photos of old hockey citys crowds in the 40s and 50s, but they ALL wore hats indoors.


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It's just respectful. Hats are to be worn outside. I hate it when people don't bother to take it off for the anthems and even more so when people in restaurants leave them on while they're eating.
Deal with it, you live in a society. Everyone has a right to THEIR customs and beliefs.

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Reading many of the posts in this thread reminds me that I live in Alberta.
Right because it should be how you believe it should be.

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it's in the same category as table manners.

all "rules" put in place by the white, powerful bourgeoisies in order to continue their oppression of the working class.
I think you forgot the

Who cares if another person chooses to wear a hat or not ? Unless its blocking my view I could give a $hit .

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It's just respectful. Hats are to be worn outside. I hate it when people don't bother to take it off for the anthems and even more so when people in restaurants leave them on while they're eating.
Jackets are supposed to be worn outside. Are you offended when people don't take them off inside?

It's a stupid custom really that doesn't even tie in to the origin of the custom. A knight taking off his face shield to show his face to someone makes sense ... connecting that to a hat worn over the scalp isn't even logically equivalent.

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