We're just not playing good hockey right now. We got a few more scoring chances this game than last game but that goes to show the difference between goaltenders.
And seriously, how many goals have we given up off a face-off this year? It seems like every couple of games we have a brainfart and give up a quick one, 2 tonight.
I like that Simmonds is starting to pick up a little steam, Brown was flying out there and should have had a goal or two, and kodus to Quick for keeping us in it. Schenn didn't get hurt, that's good, didn't look too lost out there either. I hope Segal sticks around for a few more games, I like him more than Harrold and he doesn't get wrecked nearly as much.
IMO, it wasn't even close. Quick was BY FAR the best King tonight - giving Brown the 3rd star just doesn't make any sense.
Brown did play well for the most part, but Quick definitely was on the ball. It's a shame that the numbers will make it look like he was just about average.
With the talent and the speed Kings have on this team I don't think that this dump and chase tactic is taking the advantages of that, but the question is could we maintain a good defensive with another tactic.
I dunno... but this tactic for now will not work on the higher level of play ...because that is where The Kings want to be or head for....how long will they stick to their gameplan?
Brown was good tonight. Drove to the net and was all over the ice. Sure he didn't finish, but it will come if he plays like he did tonight. Games like tonight are why I am so down on him...where has that desire been?
Anyways, Schenn looked like **** save for finishing his checks. Completely lost for the most part and I believe he was responsible for the 2nd goal. He's a kid and probably didn't even get a practice in so it isn't surprising. Loktionov was much better though and I question your hockey acumen if you don't believe that. I am excited by how the kid finished his checks hard every chance he had and he will be a player: don't pencil him on the 2nd line next year though.
Quick was awesome tonight save for that play where he tried to clear a bouncing puck up the middle and fired it right to the Canucks. Luongo was better though.
That failed attempt by Purcell sums up his career to this point very nicely: nice move, soft finish. He juked him and had him dead to rights but went with the pretty "slide across the ice" shot. The move wasn't pretty enough Teddy...get the ****ing puck up and with some velocity.
Ivanans is an abject failure. Nice ****ing interference penalty there you moron. Guy doesn't know how to start a fight and when he attempts to, he takes an interference penalty. Hordichuk was trying to play the puck the entire time but Ivanans is too stupid to notice.
Modry made a nice play on the first goal but, as we've learned from watching him for so many season, he is god-awful on defense. Man is he bad. He's scoring at the pace he had when he made the All-Star team so I can't hate him as much but man does this team need Scuderi back.
Segal needs to learn how the icing rules work as he dumps it from behind center ice every time but he's an upgrade for me on the 4th line over Harrold and Ivanans.
Simmonds seems to play well in Cananda. Has an extra jump to his step.
This team really needs Smyth, Stoll, Scuderi and Kopitar back from the press box ASAP.
Modry made a nice play on the first goal but, as we've learned from watching him for so many season, he is god-awful on defense. Man is he bad. He's scoring at the pace he had when he made the All-Star team so I can't hate him as much but man does this team need Scuderi back.
From a stats perspective, he sucked hard. No goals, no assists, and he was on the ice for all 4 goals against.
He's also mastered the art of diving (not that folks didn't already know that).
Stats don't tell the whole story, but at the point where they become embarrassing, they probably should take over reality, if only for one night.
I love the guy to death, but man oh man this was not a shining moment for him tonight on the stats sheet. Whoever gave him the 3rd star must have been hallucinating.
I'm probably the only one - me thinks Handzus has been well below par this season. Tonight he was playing on the 4th line. I really do hope management sees what I'm seeing. Quite frankly, I would try to ship him off for a hard skating, grinding/physical 3rd line winger. That salary might kill any potential deal though.
From a stats perspective, he sucked hard. No goals, no assists, and he was on the ice for all 4 goals against.
He's also mastered the art of diving (not that folks didn't already know that).
Stats don't tell the whole story, but at the point where they become embarrassing, they probably should take over reality, if only for one night.
I love the guy to death, but man oh man this was not a shining moment for him tonight on the stats sheet. Whoever gave him the 3rd star must have been hallucinating.
- T
I only saw one dive tonight and it was actually a trip unlike most of his dives lately where it wasn't even a penalty.
Do you blame him for any of the goals? If a Kings needed to get a star, it should have been Quick but Brown was the most noticeable skater for LA tonight.
I've hated his game all season but I want more of the play I saw from him tonight.
Also, I hope we never play Vancouver in the playoffs because it doesn't matter who is in net: the Kings can not score against them.
I don't know how much longer I can watch Ivanans and Richardson in the lineup. How these guys have created spots for themselves in the NHL is beyond me.
Stoll, Smyth, and Scuderi can't get back soon enough.
Schenn is not ready to play in the NHL.
Also, I would much rather have a guy like Tanner Glass on my team than Teddy Purcell.
Lastly, Sean O'Donnell may need to be put out to pasture. I feel like I'm literally watching the game pass him by.
goalies both kept there teams in it. Easily could have been a 5-3 game.
Brown played very well!
Schenn held his own and I liked his debut better than Loki's
If Stoll can't go then keep Schenn up.
I don't know how much longer I can watch Ivanans and Richardson in the lineup. How these guys have created spots for themselves in the NHL is beyond me.
Stoll, Smyth, and Scuderi can't get back soon enough.
Schenn is not ready to play in the NHL.
Also, I would much rather have a guy like Tanner Glass on my team than Teddy Purcell.
Lastly, Sean O'Donnell may need to be put out to pasture. I feel like I'm literally watching the game pass him by.
O'Donnell was especially rough tonight. Back-to-Back games will expose his age.
They're Canadian. What do you expect? Seriously though, he had a good game. He just can't finish to save his life. Tony nailed it. It is Guilano with a C.
This is getting absolutely rediculous. Giuliano had a career high 24 points...in the AHL. Brown already has 19 this season. Stop the Brown hate, he had a great game and could not beat the best goaltender in the league.
Admittedly I've only seen a few games this season, this being one of them, but I cannot for the life of me understand what the fans expect from Brown. When he is hitting he is critized for having no hockey sense and being only good for hitting. Now he is playing more offensive and fans are critizing him for not hitting. He probably could be more physical this year, but he is creating alot more offense this year as well. He is currently on pace for 60 points, tying his career high.
Other notes, Quick was great tonight I thought. Purcell played well also, he is thriving after being given this chance to play on the top line. Actually, I think he might have been the most effective player on that line. Kopitar was invisible. I cannot for the life of me understand why Kings fans seem to like O'Donnell. Every game I have seen over the past two years (hmmm I guess 15-20ish) he has been useless and given bad turnovers. Schenn did not do much, and Simmonds needs to get stronger but is progressing nicely.
This is getting absolutely rediculous. Giuliano had a career high 24 points...in the AHL. Brown already has 19 this season. Stop the Brown hate, he had a great game and could not beat the best goaltender in the league.
Admittedly I've only seen a few games this season, this being one of them, but I cannot for the life of me understand what the fans expect from Brown. When he is hitting he is critized for having no hockey sense and being only good for hitting. Now he is playing more offensive and fans are critizing him for not hitting. He probably could be more physical this year, but he is creating alot more offense this year as well. He is currently on pace for 60 points, tying his career high.
Other notes, Quick was great tonight I thought. Purcell played well also, he is thriving after being given this chance to play on the top line. Actually, I think he might have been the most effective player on that line. Kopitar was invisible. I cannot for the life of me understand why Kings fans seem to like O'Donnell. Every game I have seen over the past two years (hmmm I guess 15-20ish) he has been useless and given bad turnovers. Schenn did not do much, and Simmonds needs to get stronger but is progressing nicely.
OMG! The voice of sanity! Run! Before they hunt you down!
goalies both kept there teams in it. Easily could have been a 5-3 game.
Brown played very well!
Schenn held his own and I liked his debut better than Loki's
If Stoll can't go then keep Schenn up.
Am I the only one that saw Loktionov easily make more plays last night than Schenn? It seemed like Frolov and Brown never wanted to pass to Schenn when they were in the zone. Of course, Schenn often didn't know exactly where to go and was almost a 3rd d-man for Vancouver shadowing his own players.
Loktionov made a play last night where he intercepted a pass in the neutral zone and then made Tom Gilbert look stupid with a perfect pass to Frolov as he crossed the blueline. Unfortunately, Frolov passed to Brown immediately who turned a great scoring chance into a non-event. That play was better than any offensive play Schenn had tonight and Loktionov had other nice passes as well. He also didn't lose a face-off that led immediately to a goal.
I didn't want to say it last night and start a Dustin Brown debate, but Brown was the weak link on that line last night. Loktionov made plays while Schenn was noticeable for finishing his checks. Not saying Loktionov is better as I expect him to have a better first game since he's played pro hockey this year and got a practice in with the team beforehand, but his first game was definitely better.
Sans the excrutiating shoulder dislocation of course
about Dustin Brown .. he makes an impact when he keeps his feet moving. Tonight I saw some hustle in his game and it was probably one of his better efforts all season.
speaking of effort, I like what I see from Segal. Better option IMO than Harrold, Ivanans and Purcell on the depth lines. I would keep him up for a few more games
Am I the only one that saw Loktionov easily make more plays last night than Schenn? It seemed like Frolov and Brown never wanted to pass to Schenn when they were in the zone. Of course, Schenn often didn't know exactly where to go and was almost a 3rd d-man for Vancouver shadowing his own players.
Loktionov made a play last night where he intercepted a pass in the neutral zone and then made Tom Gilbert look stupid with a perfect pass to Frolov as he crossed the blueline. Unfortunately, Frolov passed to Brown immediately who turned a great scoring chance into a non-event. That play was better than any offensive play Schenn had tonight and Loktionov had other nice passes as well. He also didn't lose a face-off that led immediately to a goal.
I didn't want to say it last night and start a Dustin Brown debate, but Brown was the weak link on that line last night. Loktionov made plays while Schenn was noticeable for finishing his checks. Not saying Loktionov is better as I expect him to have a better first game since he's played pro hockey this year and got a practice in with the team beforehand, but his first game was definitely better.
Sans the excrutiating shoulder dislocation of course
yes but EDM is much, much easier to play against. Those guys are tiny up front with barely any physical presence. Perfect game to look good in. Vancouver? opposite.
This is getting absolutely rediculous. Giuliano had a career high 24 points...in the AHL. Brown already has 19 this season. Stop the Brown hate, he had a great game and could not beat the best goaltender in the league.
Admittedly I've only seen a few games this season, this being one of them, but I cannot for the life of me understand what the fans expect from Brown. When he is hitting he is critized for having no hockey sense and being only good for hitting. Now he is playing more offensive and fans are critizing him for not hitting. He probably could be more physical this year, but he is creating alot more offense this year as well. He is currently on pace for 60 points, tying his career high.
Other notes, Quick was great tonight I thought. Purcell played well also, he is thriving after being given this chance to play on the top line. Actually, I think he might have been the most effective player on that line. Kopitar was invisible. I cannot for the life of me understand why Kings fans seem to like O'Donnell. Every game I have seen over the past two years (hmmm I guess 15-20ish) he has been useless and given bad turnovers. Schenn did not do much, and Simmonds needs to get stronger but is progressing nicely.
As you said, you have only seen a few games this season, which is to say you know nearly nothing about Brown's performance this season and have zero basis for offering an opinion on his play.
Am I the only one that saw Loktionov easily make more plays last night than Schenn? It seemed like Frolov and Brown never wanted to pass to Schenn when they were in the zone. Of course, Schenn often didn't know exactly where to go and was almost a 3rd d-man for Vancouver shadowing his own players.
Loktionov made a play last night where he intercepted a pass in the neutral zone and then made Tom Gilbert look stupid with a perfect pass to Frolov as he crossed the blueline. Unfortunately, Frolov passed to Brown immediately who turned a great scoring chance into a non-event. That play was better than any offensive play Schenn had tonight and Loktionov had other nice passes as well. He also didn't lose a face-off that led immediately to a goal.
I didn't want to say it last night and start a Dustin Brown debate, but Brown was the weak link on that line last night. Loktionov made plays while Schenn was noticeable for finishing his checks. Not saying Loktionov is better as I expect him to have a better first game since he's played pro hockey this year and got a practice in with the team beforehand, but his first game was definitely better.
Sans the excrutiating shoulder dislocation of course
I agree with your evaluation of Lokti. He was better. Schenn looked anxious out there. Lokti looked relatively calm. Nobody can evaluate any player fairly after one or even a few games so really, the who should stay or go debate is not yet ripe.
yes but EDM is much, much easier to play against. Those guys are tiny up front with barely any physical presence. Perfect game to look good in. Vancouver? opposite.
Better is better. It's not an indictment of Schenn's future or anything but Loktionov played a better game than him.
I'm not a fanboy of either guy. I watched each of their shifts closely and Schenn had more "what am I doing out here" moments. Again, lack of practice time will do that and I'm sure he looked better than an 18 year old Loktionov would have looked.
Direct comparison without all of the "excuses" gives it to Loktionov though.
Just saying.
Zad- I agree because neither will be staying and neither should be staying. I will say that Frolov seemed to look for Loktionov while both he and Brown seemed to not want to pass to Schenn tonight in the zone. Maybe that's why Brown looked better: he tried to do everything himself. Brown is a pretty mediocre passer as his passes are quicker than his slap shot so maybe he is at his best when he he just buries his head and drives to the net.
Before the Brown lovers jump me, that was a nice set-up to Williams tonight who missed wide by 4 feet.
Last edited by BigKing: 11-27-2009 at 01:08 AM.
Reason: Zad's post
Am I the only one that saw Loktionov easily make more plays last night than Schenn? It seemed like Frolov and Brown never wanted to pass to Schenn when they were in the zone. Of course, Schenn often didn't know exactly where to go and was almost a 3rd d-man for Vancouver shadowing his own players.
Loktionov made a play last night where he intercepted a pass in the neutral zone and then made Tom Gilbert look stupid with a perfect pass to Frolov as he crossed the blueline. Unfortunately, Frolov passed to Brown immediately who turned a great scoring chance into a non-event. That play was better than any offensive play Schenn had tonight and Loktionov had other nice passes as well. He also didn't lose a face-off that led immediately to a goal.
I didn't want to say it last night and start a Dustin Brown debate, but Brown was the weak link on that line last night. Loktionov made plays while Schenn was noticeable for finishing his checks. Not saying Loktionov is better as I expect him to have a better first game since he's played pro hockey this year and got a practice in with the team beforehand, but his first game was definitely better.
Sans the excrutiating shoulder dislocation of course
Thats funny because I actually said to my bro that it looked like Frolov and Brown were not passing to Loki!!! Schenn made two very nice passes in the 3rd. Also EDM skates around ALOT more than the bigger Canucks.
Kopitar did a great impersonation of Casper the freindly ghost
O'Donnell needs to play less
Ivanans must have nude pictures of Murray or know where the bodies are buried
Not enough Corona to get me through these last few weeks
Greene is looking better
JJ is pathetic, grow a pair dude, I thought the leash was suppose to have come off?
Murray is brutal
Simmonds should be on the 1st line
Williams still is trying, I like him
Brown's mind is 1 step behind but he was bustin it out there
Teddy, here's a ticket to Manchester
Vancouver announcers suck, well Chico anyways
Rich - ask Murray what goes through his mind when the oppositon scores. Sending out Ivanans does not scare the puck into the net. If it keeps up I am asking the LAPD to piss test him before every changed line combo.
Colorado - remember that 2nd rounder we gave you for Richardson? I do
well with the shoulder operation at least we can keep theblinders on and blame that for Hickey's poor play - not sure if thats good or bad
Frolov for Torres or Ott works for me
Schenn did well for an 18 year old draft pick without a practice.
Trade Handzus, like O'Donnell the game is passing them
Doughty tries, but can't do it all and is looking frusterated
