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11-27-2009, 07:08 PM
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I dunno... Nets are expensive.

(And is your lineup missing Hemsky because of the injury)?
Good find. I didn't even see that!

Which reminds me... I forgot about Brule on mine. Take out O'Marra and place in Brule.

Woops!

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11-27-2009, 07:09 PM
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Great contribution to the thread.


Care to explain why you think its a face palm?

Here is why I said it;
To get rid of Horcoff and Fernie frees up cap space. Yes we lose a powerful PK'er, but when healthy he will do wonders in Montreal. Horcoff makes sense as he can also do the same Cammaleri can do.

Nillson is as good as done in Edmonton anyways. Not a great player but a decent one. Change of scenery may be good for him. O'Sully is the only loss but needed to get a high pick like the second. Robear won't get a second alone. Getting Mayers in return gives us a gritty player who is off the books next year I believe and a decent draft pick.
Cammaleri is 10x better than Horcoff so I don't get how you can say "Horcoff makes sense as he can also do the same Cammaleri can do."

As for the Toronto trade, they don't own a 2nd rounder due to the Kessel trade.

That is why I think your post deserves a:


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11-27-2009, 07:14 PM
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Was that so hard? You couldn't do that the first time?

Ah yes, I forgot about that pick in the deal.
Just swap it for another one

Yeah Cammy is better than Horc, but I wouldn't say 10x. He isn't elite talent. Sorry. Horc can perform. 2006 Playoffs prove that. He just needs to find his game again. But if Fernando were to get healthy again, I think the habs would consider it.

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11-27-2009, 07:19 PM
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I do believe that souray ends up in cali if we go in the tank,but:
  1. frolov is unrestricted and probably would n't re sign in edmonton
  2. I love anything around eberles buddy teubert a young dman with size would fit nicely.
  3. pisani is untradeable at this point and will retire.
  4. everyone loves stafford but he can't score in buffalo unless there playing edmonton.
  5. If they trade cog's I think it will be around a move up bid at the draft.
  6. I would like to see horcoff and grebeshkov for spezza if were going to trade horc the bad cotracts wash each other out and we sweeten the pot with a mobile d man.

I do believe the rest of the spare parts are available for draft picks.

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11-27-2009, 07:23 PM
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i was trying to find a polite way to respond, this ^^^^^ sums it up perfectly.

a proposal of:

To MONTREAL
Shawn Horcoff ($5.5)
Fernando Pisani ($2.5)

To EDMONTON
Mike Cammalleri ($6)



is borderline insane.

the habs finally get a high end UFA to sign there, and they deal him for an underperforming centre on a long term deal and a pending UFA who hasnt been healthy in almost 2 years?


Cammy is on pace for about a 40 goal, 70 point season
horcoff is on pace for about a 20 goal, 40 point season

horcoff is roughly 3 years older.


yah...

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11-27-2009, 07:28 PM
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And as you seen when Horcoff is healthy, and all he needs is to find his game again; he can out perform him on any night.

And if Pisani doesn't return, thats one contract off the books and $2.5 free in cap space.

Then what do you say about this?

To EDMONTON
Ryan Malone ($4.5)
Lukas Krajicek ($1.475)

To TAMPA BAY
Shawn Horcoff ($5.5)
Fernando Pisani ($2.5)

Which then changes our defense to:
Souray Visnovsky
Grebs Smid
Seidenberg Krajicek
Strudwick


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11-27-2009, 07:33 PM
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A defence without Souray AND Visnovsky makes me sick. It's not a recipe for success.

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11-27-2009, 07:37 PM
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A defence without Souray AND Visnovsky makes me sick. It's not a recipe for success.
I think thats the point, if you are going to Tank, TANK HARD!

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11-27-2009, 07:38 PM
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I think thats the point, if you are going to Tank, TANK HARD!
You have to keep one of them. Who are the young defencemen going to learn from?

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11-27-2009, 07:40 PM
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You have to keep one of them. Who are the young defencemen going to learn from?
We bring in a Cheaper vet or 2.

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11-27-2009, 07:42 PM
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We bring in a Cheaper vet or 2.
Nah, I rather like Visnovsky. If we can't watch quality team play then at least we get to watch a quality individual player.

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11-27-2009, 07:43 PM
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I disagree. If you do decide for that to happen, both of them must come off the books in a year or two. But no way do you trade the two of them. Unless you get something remarkable in return.

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We bring in a Cheaper vet or 2.
Like this:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=507664

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11-27-2009, 07:44 PM
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Nah, I rather like Visnovsky. If we can't watch quality team play then at least we get to watch a quality individual player.
I'd Rather have Souray in the lineup, Considering the leadership he brings...

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11-27-2009, 07:44 PM
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And as you seen when Horcoff is healthy, and all he needs is to find his game again; he can out perform him on any night.

And if Pisani doesn't return, thats one contract off the books and $2.5 free in cap space.

Then what do you say about this?

To EDMONTON
Ryan Stone ($4.5)
Lukas Krajicek ($1.475)

To TAMPA BAY
Shawn Horcoff ($5.5)
Fernando Pisani ($2.5)

Which then changes our defense to:
Souray Visnovsky
Grebs Smid
Seidenberg Krajicek
Strudwick
Who is Ryan Stone? Don't get me wrong but I have never heard of him on Tampa Bay. Oh and I just noticed you are using dollars. Maybe change into millions.

EDIT: Maybe your thinking of Malone?

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11-27-2009, 07:45 PM
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This is wishful thinking anyway. Management still thinks that these players can develop into a dynamic finesse team.

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11-27-2009, 07:46 PM
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There's no way that Tampa trades Ryan Malone. They're having a decent season so far.

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11-27-2009, 07:47 PM
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And as you seen when Horcoff is healthy, and all he needs is to find his game again; he can out perform him on any night.

And if Pisani doesn't return, thats one contract off the books and $2.5 free in cap space.

Then what do you say about this?

To EDMONTON
Ryan Stone ($4.5)
Lukas Krajicek ($1.475)

To TAMPA BAY
Shawn Horcoff ($5.5)
Fernando Pisani ($2.5)

Which then changes our defense to:
Souray Visnovsky
Grebs Smid
Seidenberg Krajicek
Strudwick

I'd say you need to give Ryan Stone a bit of a raise, reactivate him off the IR, trade him for an uncomparable return, then reacquire him in a glorious salary dump scenario.

That's what I'd say about that. But who's asking me?

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11-27-2009, 07:48 PM
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Who is Ryan Stone? Don't get me wrong but I have never heard of him on Tampa Bay. Oh and I just noticed you are using dollars. Maybe change into millions.

EDIT: Maybe your thinking of Malone?
Woops. God that looks horrible
Malone yes. It's the "one" factor. You know how it is

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11-27-2009, 10:04 PM
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wanna go real young

trade moreu and pisani for some 3rd or 4th picks

Penner and a 2nd round pick to the Flyers for
James Van Remsdyke and Claude Girioux.

Souray to the Kings for 1st and Teubert

Horcoff to the Redwings for 1st and Valtteri Filppula

Hemsky to the Sabres for 1st and Drew Stafford at the NHL 2010
draft.

Lubomir Visnovsky to Devils for 1st and Nicklas Bergfors

Patrick O Sullivan to Ottawa for Jonathen Cheechoo

Nikolai Khabibulin n Tom Gilbert to the Ducks for 1st round pick
Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Joffery Lupul.

then trade Lupul at the draft somewhere for a 1st round pick
and put Giguere on Waivers.

Staios to Atlanta for Angelo Esposito

7 1st round picks including our own would be 8
tank it with JDD and Dubynk in the nets
hopefully land lotto pick for Taylor Hall

coglino,gagne,ebrele
reysmdkye,nilson,giroux
stafford,mps,cheechoo
polutuny,hall,stortini
filpulla,comrie,jac


bergfors,esposito in springfield

smid,tuebert
chorney,grebshkov
plante,peckham

jdd/dubnk

and a boat load of 2010 picks

i know my spelling sucks!!

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11-27-2009, 10:10 PM
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That's a lot of firsts. I don't think it is that easy.

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11-27-2009, 10:17 PM
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Are these meant to be moderately legit, if they were to decide to 'rebuild'? You aren't going to see more than a couple deals at a time, and never of that much significance.

I'd try to move Souray for an established young forward with upside - and preferably size. Maybe shut down Horcoff if his shoulder could use the time off. In terms of pure dumps, any combination of Staios/Moreau/Nilsson leaving town works for me.

If we're talking about truly re-shaping the team, I'd look for one blockbuster in which we bring in the best player involved in the trade. These little mini-fixes don't often pan out well - especially when all done at once. Blow it up or stay the course, no screwing around. And I think we all know which route is more likely.

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11-27-2009, 10:19 PM
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**** i forgot about brule

most of those 1st round pick gonna be 15 to 30th picks.
the the ducks pick would probaly come via philly from the pronger trade.

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11-28-2009, 01:44 AM
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Penner and a 2nd round pick to the Flyers for James Van Remsdyke and Claude Giroux.
Winner, cap-magic. I think you should take this to the Flyers forum to gauge interest before submitting your suggestion to the Oilers brass .

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11-28-2009, 02:11 AM
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Cogliano is a piece that doesn't fit, Colborne is a big goal scorer and Colborne is 3 years younger than Cogliano.

Horton is 24 and would be a very big part of this team going forward and filling a niche of big, young, scoring forwards that we need. I think that address part of a rebuild, especially when he's under contract.

you're not going to be able to trade everyone over 21 for people under 21
That is why Boston isn't trading him.

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