Still, Pronger would have been the last player I chose to single out because he is everything you could ask for in a leader. Lappy has been doing his job as well. It's the young core of this team that need to step up their game. These guys are in their 5th league into the season, it's time for everyone to stop making excuses for them.
Did anyone notice how during the timeout at the end of the game, Stevens was talking while an assistant coach was diagramming a play a few feet away? It seemed like some players were listening to Stevens and others were trying to focus on the assistant coach. Pronger had to physically pull Richards over to pay attention to what was being drawn up. ("Uh, hey, Mike, you'll probably be out on the ice here for this final shift as we try to score the game-tying goal. Might want to pay attention to the play we're going to run.") That's pretty much this team in a nutshell.
Yeah, I saw that. I actually started laughing when Pronger pulled him over. Regardless of what I think of Stevens, the fact that a player wasn't paying attention to what was presumably the play being drawn up at the end of the game? Jesus christ.
Did anyone notice how during the timeout at the end of the game, Stevens was talking while an assistant coach was diagramming a play a few feet away? It seemed like some players were listening to Stevens and others were trying to focus on the assistant coach. Pronger had to physically pull Richards over to pay attention to what was being drawn up. ("Uh, hey, Mike, you'll probably be out on the ice here for this final shift as we try to score the game-tying goal. Might want to pay attention to the play we're going to run.") That's pretty much this team in a nutshell.
Maybe Berube has more of an idea of how to win than Stevens?
Any team that needs to put Mika Pyorala out for a 3rd period power play when trailing by a goal is going to struggle in this league.
Yea cause our powerplay has been super hot the way it was before this game
I do agree Mika shouldnt be on there regularly, but did you notice Asham on there in the beginning? Nothing is really clicking at the moment so change isnt that bad....especially with out special team trouble right now.
I did this in another thread which you seemed to have missed.
Common players from the 06-07 Flyers that played lifeless hockey under Stevens and the 09-10 Flyers that play lifeless hockey under Stevens.
Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, and Simon Gagne. I mean, pretty much the entire frickin roster has turned over and this team for the most part is playing the exact same, uninspired hockey.
So don't give me this leadership crap and how the players need to "get motivated." You don't make it to this level without being pretty damn motivated. I'd ballpark guess that 60-80 guys have suited up under Stevens and we've seen the exact same crap every time. So either the Flyers have a talent for finding guys who don't have leadership skills and work ethic or there's a serious problem.
I did this in another thread which you seemed to have missed.
Common players from the 06-07 Flyers that played lifeless hockey under Stevens and the 09-10 Flyers that play lifeless hockey under Stevens.
Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, and Simon Gagne. I mean, pretty much the entire frickin roster has turned over and this team for the most part is playing the exact same, uninspired hockey.
So don't give me this leadership crap and how the players need to "get motivated." You don't make it to this level without being pretty damn motivated. I'd ballpark guess that 60-80 guys have suited up under Stevens and we've seen the exact same crap every time. So either the Flyers have a talent for finding guys who don't have leadership skills and work ethic or there's a serious problem.
I did this in another thread which you seemed to have missed.
Common players from the 06-07 Flyers that played lifeless hockey under Stevens and the 09-10 Flyers that play lifeless hockey under Stevens.
Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, and Simon Gagne. I mean, pretty much the entire frickin roster has turned over and this team for the most part is playing the exact same, uninspired hockey.
So don't give me this leadership crap and how the players need to "get motivated." You don't make it to this level without being pretty damn motivated. I'd ballpark guess that 60-80 guys have suited up under Stevens and we've seen the exact same crap every time. So either the Flyers have a talent for finding guys who don't have leadership skills and work ethic or there's a serious problem.
I did this in another thread which you seemed to have missed.
Common players from the 06-07 Flyers that played lifeless hockey under Stevens and the 09-10 Flyers that play lifeless hockey under Stevens.
Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, and Simon Gagne. I mean, pretty much the entire frickin roster has turned over and this team for the most part is playing the exact same, uninspired hockey.
So don't give me this leadership crap and how the players need to "get motivated." You don't make it to this level without being pretty damn motivated. I'd ballpark guess that 60-80 guys have suited up under Stevens and we've seen the exact same crap every time. So either the Flyers have a talent for finding guys who don't have leadership skills and work ethic or there's a serious problem.
I have noted the roster turnover multiple times. It might even be a term taken from one of my posts. It's something I've discussed face-to-face with people ad nauseum. I have never wavered from the fact that we're not going to win a Stanley Cup with him as a coach. I've elaborated multiple times, that the only change left to make for this team, is to change the coach. I noted how Paul Holmgren blasted Carter and Richards before and 8-5 win, one night before Stevens said it was OK we lost to Ottawa and had the audacity to ask what the score of other games were. None of these thoughts should be news to a single person here, unless they haven't been paying attention the last 3 years.
However, he's attempted the in-game adjustments. He's mixed and matched the lines, both in-game and in between games. He's messed around with the goaltending by putting in Boucher at the appropriate time judging by Boucher's response recently. He put Pronger with Carle, something a lot of people freaked out over that Carle was going to get so much more time than he showed he deserved last year. He's been doing some of the things accused that he has not been doing.
Sometimes the coach does what he can do within a game, and the finger needs to be pointed at the players in this case.
Or even the fact that they just got beat. The Thrashers are good, they're not the team of old. They're a team with good players, with the ability to beat good teams, and not be relying on Ilya Kovalchuk to win games single-handedly.
I have noted the roster turnover multiple times. It might even be a term taken from one of my posts. It's something I've discussed face-to-face with people ad nauseum. I have never wavered from the fact that we're not going to win a Stanley Cup with him as a coach. I've elaborated multiple times, that the only change left to make for this team, is to change the coach. I noted how Paul Holmgren blasted Carter and Richards before and 8-5 win, one night before Stevens said it was OK we lost to Ottawa and had the audacity to ask what the score of other games were. None of these thoughts should be news to a single person here, unless they haven't been paying attention the last 3 years.
However, he's attempted the in-game adjustments. He's mixed and matched the lines, both in-game and in between games. He's messed around with the goaltending by putting in Boucher at the appropriate time judging by Boucher's response recently. He put Pronger with Carle, something a lot of people freaked out over that Carle was going to get so much more time than he showed he deserved last year. He's been doing some of the things accused that he has not been doing.
Sometimes the coach does what he can do within a game, and the finger needs to be pointed at the players in this case.
Or even the fact that they just got beat. The Thrashers are good, they're not the team of old. They're a team with good players, with the ability to beat good teams, and not be relying on Ilya Kovalchuk to win games single-handedly.
Still doesn't deny the fact the Flyers lost 1-0 and with such a huge offense (even with the injuries) should still score a lot of goals. Someone needs to slap the players in the face and wake them up from this crap. Get their **** together and be sure to get off on the right foot and own the Canucks badly. They really would need that to get them back on the right track.
Still doesn't deny the fact the Flyers lost 1-0 and with such a huge offense (even with the injuries) should still score a lot of goals. Someone needs to slap the players in the face and wake them up from this crap. Get their **** together and be sure to get off on the right foot and own the Canucks badly. They really would need that to get them back on the right track.
Why can't one of the players do that though? And maybe they do.
It's not like the coach is a saint, the GM had to be the catalyst last year, although it only lasted one game.
The fact of the matter is if every single game the Flyers lose is all the coach's fault, then this isn't a contender. Plain and simple. Especially if the players truly believe what so many here do.
At least with Briere back in the line-up next time, the PP should be better than it was, because he's a pretty big piece for it. Two fully offensive lines and offensive d-men on the PP, instead of Pyorala or Asham, which didn't work at all. Maybe make them work every day till the next game? Pretty much, they need to practice getting the puck into the corners of the net, not into the goalie, hell, if need be, get them by Emery, because it seems he can give up easy ones and it could boost the morale of the scorers haha. And the second thing, is to get them to hustle, fight for every puck more, and make better and simpler plays. I know, it's asking a lot, but this is what they need to do if they want to win more consistently.
People will come at you for saying that... but I agree. They continue to play like we have the past couple games, we wont make playoffs and thats a fact. Well maybe we will make playoffs but prepare for an early exit.
People will come at you for saying that... but I agree. They continue to play like we have the past couple games, we wont make playoffs and thats a fact. Well maybe we will make playoffs but prepare for an early exit.
I think (at least I hope) it's relatively safe to say that we won't continue at this recent pace...but if this is any indicator of the drive and heart of this team, we won't make it past the first round let alone get to the SC final like so many predicted.
I think (at least I hope) it's relatively safe to say that we won't continue at this recent pace...but if this is any indicator of the drive and heart of this team, we won't make it past the first round let alone get to the SC final like so many predicted.
Remember when we lost 10 in a row, snapped it with a shootout win and we got on our way to the playoffs? Was that when we got to the Conference Finals against the Pens? Hopefully out of all this crap that has happened, maybe we can get a needed 4 to 5 wins in a row?
Remember when we lost 10 in a row, snapped it with a shootout win and we got on our way to the playoffs? Was that when we got to the Conference Finals against the Pens? Hopefully out of all this crap that has happened, maybe we can get a needed 4 to 5 wins in a row?
From winning something like 7 out of the last 8 a little while ago we've now lost 5 of the last 6. Amazing how fast things turn around.
I did this in another thread which you seemed to have missed.
Common players from the 06-07 Flyers that played lifeless hockey under Stevens and the 09-10 Flyers that play lifeless hockey under Stevens.
Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, and Simon Gagne. I mean, pretty much the entire frickin roster has turned over and this team for the most part is playing the exact same, uninspired hockey.
So don't give me this leadership crap and how the players need to "get motivated." You don't make it to this level without being pretty damn motivated. I'd ballpark guess that 60-80 guys have suited up under Stevens and we've seen the exact same crap every time. So either the Flyers have a talent for finding guys who don't have leadership skills and work ethic or there's a serious problem.
I'd say they have a talent for finding guys and overpaying for them and overpaying them and then letting Stevens get nothing out of them.
Yea cause our powerplay has been super hot the way it was before this game
I do agree Mika shouldnt be on there regularly, but did you notice Asham on there in the beginning? Nothing is really clicking at the moment so change isnt that bad....especially with out special team trouble right now.
I agree.
But the reality still stands:
A team that needs to put Mika Pyorala out for a 3rd period power play when trailing by a goal is going to struggle in this league.
I thought Hedberg played the best game of his life. Fault the Flyers all you want, but it wasn't a cake walk for Hedberg and he played out of his mind.
Onto other things, you need to look at the range of the play. A few **** games here and there and I fault the players. But when you have this WIDE range of inconsistency, 10 game losing streak followed by 8-9 game winning streaks and something is going on. Players can be blamed for a couple of games (::cough OSGOOD/HOWARD in Detroit cough: but overall when you can only put together long winning streaks or long losing streaks there is an issue with how the team is managed.
Look at all the coaches over the Flyers history . . . Stevens now has the what? the 5th most wins in FLYERS HISTORY!!!! and is the 5th or 6th longest tenured coach in the ENTIRE NHL!! Yet, his win percentage is just a smidgen over 50% and he probably has the most winless streaks over 7 games in Flyers History and in the league of current tenured coaches. Hell, even the Islanders and Toronto as bad as they are never reached 10 game losing streaks.
Stevens has had 5 seasons, the team has been inconsistent every single season. It is time to bring in someone else before things get even wonkier.
That last powerplay was so painful to watch. I think they finally got set up with about 12 seconds left. Dump & chase should be the last option on a PP breakout, not the first.
but overall when you can only put together long winning streaks or long losing streaks there is an issue with how the team is managed. 
