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11-29-2009, 04:05 AM
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I am in favor if he is indeed available. He is what this team needs and has been wanting for awhile and would be worth every penny of his 8.5 mill a year deal. He is not even in his prime yet. It would need to happen soon because if we stay where were at in the standings in a couple months that's not a first rounder i am willing to give up. Anything over 6th overall i am alright with.
It's a huge gamble imo.

He's never played in a real division.

He's getting paid more than... well, basically anyone not named Ovechkin.

I have severe questions about his two-way game.

... that said, he's a HUGE center, who can skate, has vision, has hands, can shoot...

It's a gamble though. How much better will he be? And where's the cap going? We can spend to it, sure, but there's only so much you can do if it suddenly drops $10,000,000 and you have a guy making $8,250,000....

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11-29-2009, 04:12 AM
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We have Horcoff at 5.5. I'm sure we'll understand
If the deal is horc for Staal I do it in a heartbeat. But grebs and Cogs for Staal changes the story.

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It's a huge gamble imo.

He's never played in a real division.

He's getting paid more than... well, basically anyone not named Ovechkin.

I have severe questions about his two-way game.

... that said, he's a HUGE center, who can skate, has vision, has hands, can shoot...

It's a gamble though. How much better will he be? And where's the cap going? We can spend to it, sure, but there's only so much you can do if it suddenly drops $10,000,000 and you have a guy making $8,250,000....
100% agree, took the words out of my mouth

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11-29-2009, 04:27 AM
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trading for staal is stupid, especially in position we are in currently. as much as i hate seeing oilers lose, i really want top 3 pick... trade away some of these **** contracts, trade cogliano couple other prospects who should be on team but aren't due to we have so many contracts

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11-29-2009, 05:51 AM
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Oh wow, I would do this in the blink of an eye.
People complain about cap space, and how big the salary is, but let me dream here...
If we can somehow do this, and do a Gilbert + pick/prospect for Stafford, and then sign or trade for a mid level defenceman in the offseason we could be looking pretty decent. Keep in mind, there IS the possibility that we ice a lot of fresh, young players next year.
Purely for the sake of argument, but what if (given that these trades go through) that our lineup was something like this next year (yes, this would include some salary dumps either through waivers, buyouts, or trades, but hear me out)
O'Sullivan - Staal - Hemsky
Penner - Gagner - Brule
Omark or MPS - Horcoff - Eberle
Jacques - Potulny - Stortini
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Souray - Vish
Smid - Chorney
Staios - Petry/x

Granted, these lines could certainly be changed around, and I am sure a trade could be made, and we could lose some players...maybe O'Sullivan, but I would love to watch this team. My point is that there IS the possibility that we could have so many young guys make the team that a salary like Staal's wouldn't even matter in the meantime. Because his contract is somehow backloaded through 2016/2017 it will likely cause problems in the future with signing these players, but this is all about pleasing my eyes NOW. Yesh?

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11-29-2009, 08:47 AM
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trading for staal is stupid, especially in position we are in currently. as much as i hate seeing oilers lose, i really want top 3 pick... trade away some of these **** contracts, trade cogliano couple other prospects who should be on team but aren't due to we have so many contracts
The fact of the matter is, in acquiring a player like Staal a team is acquiring a known commodity... whereas a draft pick - even a top three - is a gamble. It might turn out fantastic, or it might fade into obscurity.

Yes Staal is a huge cap hit; but, he is young, he is big, he is a center, and - as far as I know - he plays a fairly complete game. In other words, he is precisely what this team needs.

Acquire Staal for whomever, dump one of the big contract on defense - perhaps Carolina would be interested in Gilbert and Cogliano, and it works out. This team is so far away from a successful rebuild that I doubt its an option... retooling - effective retooling - is the only option now.

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11-29-2009, 09:14 AM
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Everyone keeps saying this is a gamble ! Yeah all those 5'11 forwards sure looked good against vancouver last night.

Would you have to clear some cap space ? yeah but this team needs a bonafide # 1 center, you do not pass on 6'3 offensive centers.

There is no one on this team that is untouchable right now, we either do something like this or let the run for # 1 hit full stride.

Time to earn your money Tambo!

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11-29-2009, 10:27 AM
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Gagner + O'Sullivan + Grebeshkov + 2nd

I would do it and lose no sleep over it.

MPS Staal Hemsky
Penner Seguin Eberle
JFJ Horcoff Brule

Oh yeah.

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11-29-2009, 10:56 AM
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Gagner + O'Sullivan + Grebeshkov + 2nd

I would do it and lose no sleep over it.

MPS Staal Hemsky
Penner Seguin Eberle
JFJ Horcoff Brule

Oh yeah.
Guess management also has to tell Staal to suck for the remainder of the season

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Guess management also has to tell Staal to suck for the remainder of the season
Don't worry, he's already started.

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11-29-2009, 12:24 PM
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As a long time lurker of the Oilers board on this site, I found this topic interesting...a lot of people here are questioning the validity of this supposed rumor as it is from Eklund. No need to mention how much of a goomba that guys is with his accuracy rate...

Anyways, I was cruising the "Rumors" side of this board a few days ago and was reading this thread from there (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=707284). Pierre Mcguire had said during an intermission interview (not sure which network) he was talking to the GM of a "Southern team" and the GM said there could be a significant trade made/announced in as soon as two weeks. At first everyone is thinking Lecavalier or Kovalchuk again, but then all of a sudden the Staal rumors start to fly, with Edmonton being mentioned as a potential suitor. I'd take Mcguire's word over Eklund's obviously, so maybe there is some truth to this afterall as Carolina is a "Southern" team. I didn't see the thread posted above mentioned anywhere in this thread, so I thought I'd bring it up. Unfortunately, there is no link to hear or see Mcguire say this...some dude was watching a game and heard it come right of Pierre's mouth.

Take it with a grain of salt...back to the depths I go.

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The problem with Staal is he gets paid like a 100 point player, but he's really only a 70-80 point guy. Big pass for me.

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11-29-2009, 01:23 PM
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Acquiring Staal would certainly be a risky move but I would do it if they would be willing to take on Horcoff's contract. If so, I would have no problem moving Horcoff and a few quality youngsters (Grebeshkov + Cogliano/Gagner?) simply because Staal is still so young.

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Acquiring Staal would certainly be a risky move but I would do it if they would be willing to take on Horcoff's contract. If so, I would have no problem moving Horcoff and a few quality youngsters (Grebeshkov + Cogliano/Gagner?) simply because Staal is still so young.
This. Horcoff would have to go the other way. I wonder if it would be Souray or Vis going the other way instead though? Dont all three have ntc? Would Carolina be on their lists? Although it would be hard to imagine anyone activating a nmc or ntc to stay here.

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This. Horcoff would have to go the other way. I wonder if it would be Souray or Vis going the other way instead though? Dont all three have ntc? Would Carolina be on their lists? Although it would be hard to imagine anyone activating a nmc or ntc to stay here.
I would think that Carolina would want either Gagner, Cogliano, and one of our young defenceman. I also think that if needed we can still send Horcoff to another team via separate trade. Ny Islanders, Columbus. Montreal could all be interested come deadline.

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11-29-2009, 02:33 PM
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I would think that Carolina would want either Gagner, Cogliano, and one of our young defenceman. I also think that if needed we can still send Horcoff to another team via separate trade. Ny Islanders, Columbus. Montreal could all be interested come deadline.
Isnt his cap hit 8+? They would have to be taking back salary. No question about that.

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We don't have to ship out salary if we put Pisani Horcoff and Hemsky on LTIR.



We at least have till this summer to figure the cap situation.

As we all recall from the Pronger trade, the team that gets the best player wins the trade. Staal is the best player.



The only reason I would say NO to this, is because (as a previous poster mentioned) I want a full rebuild. We're resembling the tailspin that was the Rangers of the late 90s, and the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Trying to battle through a rebuild by taking a subpar team, and struggling to make them average through addition.


Winning begets winning.
Losing begets winning.
Mediocre begets mediocre.

We're in that last category, when we really should be in the second category.

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It's a huge gamble imo.

He's never played in a real division.
I hate this piece of conventional wisdom floating around here. By this logic we should turn down any of Ovechkin, Semin, or Kovalchuk as well.

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I love Staal, but that cap hit is monsterous.

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I would love to get Staal, and I don't mind the cap hit at all. Since the lockout, he has scored 45, 30, 38, and 40 goals. He is a legit 40 goal scorer, something we need, and he is young, so I don't mind giving up gagner, cogliano, gilbert, and/or grebeshkov for him

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I don't see how people are calling this a gamble. Staal has a 100 pt season and an 82 pt season under his belt. His cap hit is 450 K higher than Rick Nash's. Would people be saying Rick Nash is a gamble too, since his highest point total in a single season is 79 pts? I highly doubt it.

Yes, Staal is having a terrible start to the season, but he did last year as well and still finished with 75 pts. Rick Nash is having a pretty good campaign right now, on pace for 91 pts, but it remains to be seen whether or not he will keep it up. Don't get me wrong, I would prefer Nash to Staal, but calling Staal a gamble doesn't make sense to me.

If Staal is truly available, you do anything you can to land him...period.

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Surely this would require two miricals to happen.

The first being Carolina actually accepting such a ridiculous trade.

The second being the Oil finding someone to take Horcoff off our hands so we can actually afford Staal.

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11-29-2009, 05:15 PM
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If you can aquire Staal, you do it. Period. He's a top 15 player in this league, well under 30 years of age, and has won a Stanley Cup. Not to mention, he averages around 40 goals a year.

Outside of Hemsky, Penner, Visnovski, Smid, Eberle, MPS and possibly Brule every asset is on the table for a package to be made.

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There was discussion about Staal coming to Edmonton on a Calgary radio station (forget which but it could be Fan960) and it mentionned we would probably be giving up Cogliano and possibly Lubo Visnovsky as well

Im not sure if this had anything to do with eklund tho...

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Eklund is now saying that he could be going to Los Angeles.

So in the last two days he said Staal would be going to Edmonton and now Los Angeles.

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