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11-29-2009, 08:00 PM
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BJ Crombeen ranked NHL Top Defensive Foward

The NHL's top defensive forwards
by James Mirtle on Nov 26, 2009

We're about far enough into the season that we can start to look at some individual stats and have enough of a sample size to draw some conclusions. This list is the same one I've been churning out for a couple years now, and ranks players defensively based on (a) quality of competition at even strength, (b) goals against per minute played at even strength and (c) goals against per minute played on the penalty kill.

Players also have to have played at least 15 games and fill a significant role on their team's shorthanded unit. Credit, as always, to Behind The Net for the data.


http://www.fromtherink.com/2009/11/2...nsive-forwards


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Thats awesome. Crombeen and McClement top three.

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I would also throw Oshie in there.

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Its good to see them getting recognition, but I don't put much stock into those stats. I mean they are probably the best I have seen regarding defensive ability, but I would never say BJ is better defensively than Jay, at least not this year or years past.

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Backes is on there at 21 as well, pretty impressive to see a little concrete evidence of what they contribute on that side of the game.

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How much of this is ice time dependent?

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I like this ranking just because (whether accurate or not) it has to rankle Dallas.

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I'd like to see the full stats they used, algorithm, and how they determined "quality of competition at even strength." I'd also like to know why they didn't use "quality of competition on penalty kill." Too many qualities missing to make an accurate judgment of whether this ranking has any merit.

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Quote:
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How much of this is ice time dependent?
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I'd like to see the full stats they used, algorithm, and how they determined "quality of competition at even strength." I'd also like to know why they didn't use "quality of competition on penalty kill." Too many qualities missing to make an accurate judgment of whether this ranking has any merit.
Stats were from www.behindthenet.ca which is a bit more of a nerdy hockey fan's site. They do advanced statistics like the ones Mirtle used in that post.

Two of the three stats Mirtle looked at were Goals For per 60 minutes, and Goals Against per 60 minutes (he wrote per minute but I think this is a typo). So it's ice-time dependent in the sense that the players who play fewer minutes provide a smaller sample size, I guess.

You guys can just navigate the site yourself to get an idea, but here's an FAQ of sorts which addresses stuff like concept's questions (how they determine Quality of Competition, etc.): http://www.behindthenet.ca/about_stats.html

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