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04-16-2004, 06:05 PM
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IMO Demitra=gone. He was horrible vs San Jose. Blues would probably take a mid-1st rounder straight up or pretty good(i.e. 21-22 maybe ready to come up sometime next season or start the season after) forward prospect in return.
I've always been a Demitra fan, but I doubt the Blues would be able to get a "mid-1st rounder" for him at this point. The forward prospect might be another story, however.

If Buffalo would take him straight up for Biron or Noronen, I'd do that; I might even be willing to pay as much of Demitra's contract as would be required to make the deal even-steven from a salary standpoint. Osgood's had his chance to carry this team, and he's certainly not the sole reason why the Blues lost this season, but it's time to go in a different direction, with a younger and less-expensive guy who has more upside.

I'd be interested in Gerber as well.

I think the thing to do with Demitra would be to not qualify him, let him try his hand at the UFA market, and when no one bites at $6 million-plus per year, offer him $3 million a year on a long-term (3 years) deal. If he gets picked up by someone else, the Blues get a compensatory pick; if no one else picks him up, they get him back at half price. The Blues come out ahead either way, IMO.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Blues try to shop one of Tkachuk or Weight, probably Tkachuk. He can waive his no-trade clause, or else he can sit all next year and rust, and then try to hook up with someone else in 2005-06 (or 2006-07, if all of the 2004-05 season gets lost to a lockout and contracts carry over). I'm as much a fan of the USA-born players as the next guy, but I'm pretty disappointed in Tkachuk.

Also, if the Leafs would give up Kaeberle, Antropov and a second- or third-round pick (or if the Senators would give up Chara, Bonk and the pick) for Pronger, I'd make that deal as well. I'm sure that's a pipe dream, though...

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I think the Caps will try and shop Kolzig.
why they have first overall

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Tom Poti... too move up in the draft
What idiotic team would want Tom Poti?

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why they have first overall
Maybe not to move up...Kolzig doesn't really fit into the Capitals plans at this point of his career.

For the Penguins...Matt Bradley...PLEASE!

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For the Penguins...Matt Bradley...PLEASE!

Bradley and a 8th Round Pick for..........a 9th Round Pick!....Any Takers?

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Atlanta maybe?

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about 10 days ago Hamrlik was saying he wants to remain on LI.He's pushing for his extension.If the isles can get Hamrlik(ufa July 2005) signed,then I'd expect they'd shop either Niinimaa or Aucoin(ufa in July 2005).

another player I'm not sure they'll keep is gritty,but streaky Parrish($2.3m).If it comes down to Wang saying trim the budget,then the Isles have cheaper rws in Hunter(about $600,000),Weinhandl ($900,000)and Asham(about $450,000).

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I don't see many teams moving a first rounder for Lydman with the CBA expiring in a few months. He's a pretty good d-man but I'm guessing most GM's would rather take their chances in the first round..

it's tough to get a qaulity d-man with the talent so watered down.I'd think gms would jump at a 1st for Lydman.

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I can see the Leafs shopping Kaberle and Antropov and the draft.

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Huselius, Shvidki, Hagman... Lilja, Biron(Wishful thinking on the last two)

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Huselius, Shvidki, Hagman... Lilja, Biron(Wishful thinking on the last two)

I think Lilja and Biron still have market value - just not huge value.

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Not sure if it is a draft day trade, but Arnott is likely gone from Dallas.

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about 10 days ago Hamrlik was saying he wants to remain on LI.He's pushing for his extension.If the isles can get Hamrlik(ufa July 2005) signed,then I'd expect they'd shop either Niinimaa or Aucoin(ufa in July 2005).

another player I'm not sure they'll keep is gritty,but streaky Parrish($2.3m).If it comes down to Wang saying trim the budget,then the Isles have cheaper rws in Hunter(about $600,000),Weinhandl ($900,000)and Asham(about $450,000).
I'd be interested in Niinimaa. What would an Isle fan want from Anaheim for him. Available guys would be like McDonald, Schastlivy, Havelid, and Gerber. Especially the last two.

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I can see the Leafs shopping Kaberle and Antropov and the draft.
You think so? Curious as to why you think they would. The Leafs have a lot of older players that may not be around like Francis, Reichel (I'd want him gone). So still having younger players that have been there for a few seasons is good thing.

Besides, isn't the draft not considered a deep one?

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I'd be interested in Niinimaa. What would an Isle fan want from Anaheim for him. Available guys would be like McDonald, Schastlivy, Havelid, and Gerber. Especially the last two.
What about this: Niinimaa for Havelid+Gerber and a 2nd round pick

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It could be interesting to see what really happnes at the draft just of the CBA war looming. I could definantly see some big names being shopped especially those that were playoff failures and have big tickets. IMO, here are some players who could be shopped, not moved, just talked about:

Martin Gerber - can't protect in waiver draft anyway
Vaclav Prospal - could see his name in trade talk
Jani Hurme - anyone looking for a backup
Martin Lapointe - about 4 million too much per year for the Bruins' liking
Sergei Gonchar - will they really pay him as much as Thornton?
Miro Satan - just because he's mentioned every year
Mika Noronen - Ryan Miller should be up and they could get a decent return
Tim Connolly - anyone want to take a chance
Roman Turek - for obvious reasons
Jeff O'Neill - Rutherford will continue to explore the possibility
Rod BrindAmour - rich contract, little production
Eric Daze - they've traded everyone else
Bill Guerin - could lose his 9 million price tag
Jason Smith - you figure it will happen at some point
Petr Nedved - do they really want to pay him 4 mill.
Kristian Huselius - could use it to move up in draft
Roman Cechmanek - is Huet ready for more
Manny Fernandez - they need some help up front
Mathieu Garon - they wont protect him
Jeff Friesen - his time may have run out
Mike Peca - its a possibility
Roman Hamrlik - for scoring help
Mark Parrish - his name has been rumoured before
Eric Lindros - how long does he last in Broadway
Peter Bondra - if they lose hes gone
Radek Bonk - see Bondra
Greg DeVries - wont pay him 3-4 million with 3 years remaining
Aleksy Morozov - could be had
Pavol Demitra - time to cut payroll, he's easier to unload than Tkachuk
Chris Osgood - time for a new netminder
Chris Pronger - ?
Johan Hedberg - they have Auld ready to play
Olaf Kolzig - there could be a few teams looking at him now

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You think so? Curious as to why you think they would. The Leafs have a lot of older players that may not be around like Francis, Reichel (I'd want him gone). So still having younger players that have been there for a few seasons is good thing.

Besides, isn't the draft not considered a deep one?
The Leafs have alot of players whose contracts are up on July 1 so trading away two younger guys still under contract would not be a good move. Neither of those players will be moved. Kaberle has had an off year but next year he will log less ice time, see less of the opposing teams best line and get to watch Leetch on a ightly basis. He should only return to his normal self.

Antropov has shown flashes of being real good, not great but real good but realistically he looks to be a 15-20 goals, 45-50 points type player and that isn't so bad.

These are the players who as of now would not return due to contract status

Joe Nieuwendyk
Mikael Renberg
Robert Reichel
Tom Fitzgerald
Ron Francis
Ken Klee
Bryan Marchment
Calle Johansson
Drake Berehowsky
Ed Belfour
Trevor Kidd

Only players the Leafs will bring back - Nieuwendyk, Klee, Belfour and possibly Fitzy

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I can see the Leafs shopping Kaberle and Antropov and the draft.
i could see that too they both are terrible

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I can see the Leafs shopping Kaberle and Antropov at the draft.
I posted elsewhere that these were two of the players I'd be interested in acquiring in a Pronger deal.

Do you think the Leafs would accept Pronger and the Blues' first-round pick for Antropov, Kaberle and the Leafs' first-round pick?

TO moves up in the draft somewhat, and gets a guy that most GM's would kill to have. The Blues get younger and cheaper, and still keep a first-rounder.

I'd consider throwing in a prospect or another pick to make the deal more "even" if need be.

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I posted elsewhere that these were two of the players I'd be interested in acquiring in a Pronger deal.

Do you think the Leafs would accept Pronger and the Blues' first-round pick for Antropov, Kaberle and the Leafs' first-round pick?

TO moves up in the draft somewhat, and gets a guy that most GM's would kill to have. The Blues get younger and cheaper, and still keep a first-rounder.

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i would do that right away

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I'd be interested in Niinimaa. What would an Isle fan want from Anaheim for him. Available guys would be like McDonald, Schastlivy, Havelid, and Gerber. Especially the last two.
Havelid-Is he a legitimate top 4?If not,I'd rather have 23 yr old Ryan Caldwell or 20 yr old Bruno Gervais on the roster.NYI are high on both and each has a good chance to make next yr's team.

McDonald-center's the nyi deepest position and they don't need more 3rd liners.

Gerber-DiPi got 50 starts this yr,taking over as the #1.He'll get 65 starts next yr.Gerber would be nice,but not as the key to any deal involving a nyi top 4 D.

Schastlivy-Isles have simialr players in Weinhandl+Papineau.Zero interest in Schastlivy.

No real interest in a quanity for quality deal.I'd expect
something like the Sydor deal:a top prospect who's close to being nhl ready and a high pick or maybe Sykora for Niinimaa.

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I posted elsewhere that these were two of the players I'd be interested in acquiring in a Pronger deal.

Do you think the Leafs would accept Pronger and the Blues' first-round pick for Antropov, Kaberle and the Leafs' first-round pick?

TO moves up in the draft somewhat, and gets a guy that most GM's would kill to have. The Blues get younger and cheaper, and still keep a first-rounder.

I'd consider throwing in a prospect or another pick to make the deal more "even" if need be.

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I'd cream my pants if that happened!!!

BTW- we dont have a first rounder, so it works perfectly

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I'd cream my pants if that happened!!!

BTW- we dont have a first rounder, so it works perfectly
Forget it, if that's the case... unless you are able to acquire one and move that pick in this deal. The key for the Blues is keeping a first-round pick in this draft. Or, failing that, acquiring a couple of high second-round picks (neither lower than 36th overall) at least, to make up for the loss of the first-rounder.

Kaberle and Antropov are attractive options, but I'm not giving away Pronger and the 17th-overall pick.

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I posted elsewhere that these were two of the players I'd be interested in acquiring in a Pronger deal.

Do you think the Leafs would accept Pronger and the Blues' first-round pick for Antropov, Kaberle and the Leafs' first-round pick?

TO moves up in the draft somewhat, and gets a guy that most GM's would kill to have. The Blues get younger and cheaper, and still keep a first-rounder.

I'd consider throwing in a prospect or another pick to make the deal more "even" if need be.

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If I were the Leafs I would do that for sure. A defence consisting of McCabe, Pronger and Leetch. Wow. And Chris is only 30 so he's still got quite a few years left in him. One thing to note though. Didn't the Leafs trade this year's first rounder in the Brian Leetch deal? If that's the case the first rounder would have to be in next year's draft.

Almo: That's what I thought too. That's nearly a dozen players that may not be back next year.

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Atlanta maybe?
Humm not stupid at all. I think it could be a good fit and it would avoid to Kovalchuk to play at the point.

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