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11-30-2009, 12:52 PM
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MDZ has been our #1 d-man in terms of production, but he really hasn't that much of a force on the PK, and I can't see the points keeping up throughout an entire season. I just hope when he comes back down to earth, Staal is already in orbit.

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11-30-2009, 01:08 PM
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I'm not ready to call him our #1 d-man when he was a team worst -5 against the Penguins.

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11-30-2009, 01:18 PM
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he's certainly playing outstanding for a rookie, I've been so impressed with everything he's done this year

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Overall Staal is your numer one for me for the next 10 seasons. He's got skills in all kina of play

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11-30-2009, 01:33 PM
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Del Zotto is probably not the number one defenseman right now but it's hard to see him not reaching that level. His passing skills are unbelieveable. He's every bit as good as media sweetheart Drew Doughty and his defense has improved by leaps and bounds during the season. I only saw bits and pieces of the Pittrsburgh game but in no way was he responsible for 5 goals.

Oh, and did I mention that he's 19 years old? He's doing this at a very young age. And doing it very well. He'll be a number one soon enough. And along the way, he'll far surpass Tomas Kaberle.

Defensemen often take 3-5 years of professional hockey to play to their level. Staal has certainly had plenty of ups and downs (including this year) and he's only 22. MDZ is a treasure that hopefully we can nuture and have in the lineup for the next 15 years. Pretty cool thought isn't it?

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11-30-2009, 01:47 PM
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Del Zotto started off red hot but he's cooled down a little lately. I still don't see Redden as our number 1 D-Man and, if he is, that's pathetic. His transition game is terrible, he gives the puck away in neutral zone all the time, and he brings no physical presence. He hasn't even contributed that much in the offensive zone, he's tied for last among our D-Man in points.

But yeah, Del Zotto is looking like he's going to be a very respectable player in the future. He's already got a great offensive touch and his physical game is slowly coming around. If he could work out his defensive kinks while continuing to develop his offensive game, he could develop into a number one for sure.

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11-30-2009, 02:20 PM
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Del Zotto is probably not the number one defenseman right now but it's hard to see him not reaching that level. His passing skills are unbelieveable. He's every bit as good as media sweetheart Drew Doughty and his defense has improved by leaps and bounds during the season. I only saw bits and pieces of the Pittrsburgh game but in no way was he responsible for 5 goals.

Oh, and did I mention that he's 19 years old? He's doing this at a very young age. And doing it very well. He'll be a number one soon enough. And along the way, he'll far surpass Tomas Kaberle.

Defensemen often take 3-5 years of professional hockey to play to their level. Staal has certainly had plenty of ups and downs (including this year) and he's only 22. MDZ is a treasure that hopefully we can nuture and have in the lineup for the next 15 years. Pretty cool thought isn't it?
I agree, his point production may have fallen recently, but that's only because the forwards stopped putting the puck in the net. He's still making the same great passes we saw during the beginning of the season.

He will finish with around 40 points if Tortorella doesn't cut his ice time. He is a gem

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11-30-2009, 02:32 PM
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I honestly think Gilroy may become a legitimate top-pairing d-man in the next couple of seasons. His skating and quickness make him a very good overall d-man and allows him to effortlessly play a lot of minutes. He has impressed me a lot.

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not to argue here but you should have watched the replays
If you think he was at fault on all the goals, you clearly should re-watch. He was not.

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If you think he was at fault on all the goals, you clearly should re-watch. He was not.
No it was. It was his fault, and Henke's, and Drury's and Korpikoski's, and Renney's...its all their fault.

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Given the physical aspect of his game that he has shown thus far, his poise and his solid footwork, I don't see any reason why he couldn't develop into that all situations #1 defenseman. He's not their yet but his ability to move the puck tape to tape in a split second from the defensive zone instantly gives him a huge advantage over anybody else in the system. That's a huge part of what you want in your D-man who is out there protecting that one goal lead in the final minute.

As for who is #1 right now... like it matters. You can bring back Malik and make him the #1. Same difference.

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MDZ has been our #1 d-man in terms of production, but he really hasn't that much of a force on the PK, and I can't see the points keeping up throughout an entire season. I just hope when he comes back down to earth, Staal is already in orbit.
MDZ is used not on the PK. Torts used MDZ on the PK in FLA last Wednesday when Redden went down.

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MDZ's minutes have progressed steadily throughout the season.

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I honestly think Gilroy may become a legitimate top-pairing d-man in the next couple of seasons. His skating and quickness make him a very good overall d-man and allows him to effortlessly play a lot of minutes. He has impressed me a lot.
Well I hope it doesn't happen next season; I'm not so sure we'll be able to re-sign him if it does.

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11-30-2009, 04:22 PM
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At the moment, its hard to say he isnt. But I think that says more about the team than anything else. It's kind of like how last year we liked to say Staal was our #1. While probably true, it's hardly a badge for the player as much as it is another blemish for the product Sather has put out on the ice.

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I honestly think Gilroy may become a legitimate top-pairing d-man in the next couple of seasons. His skating and quickness make him a very good overall d-man and allows him to effortlessly play a lot of minutes. He has impressed me a lot.
I agree, he should have had #5 last night, and hit the post, I see alot of positives with this kid...skating, passing, shooting, he's also one of the only + - guys on the team...I would like to see him shoot more...

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On most nights I believe he is our best d-man most of the time. What we have to remember is he is very young and will probably get fatigued as the season progresses.

but as of now, he is our best

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It's funny, our #1 was supposed to be Staal. Instead he's sucked. He needs to play a defensive shut down game and start hitting guys hard. Oh how I wish he would become a big bruising stay at home Dman. He's 6'4" he needs to put on another 10 pounds and stop playing like a pansy. Tortorella should be making him play that style, not forcing him to be an offensive defenseman. It's just nonsense.

I don't want to hear that he's #1 in hits in the team for Dmen. The fact is he rarely/never throws a hit that makes you say "wow what a hit!"

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It's funny, our #1 was supposed to be Staal. Instead he's sucked. He needs to play a defensive shut down game and start hitting guys hard. Oh how I wish he would become a big bruising stay at home Dman. He's 6'4" he needs to put on another 10 pounds and stop playing like a pansy. Tortorella should be making him play that style, not forcing him to be an offensive defenseman. It's just nonsense.

I don't want to hear that he's #1 in hits in the team for Dmen. The fact is he rarely/never throws a hit that makes you say "wow what a hit!"
To be fair, there aren't many 22 year old defensemen who go around drilling fowards at every chance that presents itself. I think he will become more physical as he matures. Most defensemen don't hit their prime until way into their 20's. Staal still has a a few years to go

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It's funny, our #1 was supposed to be Staal. Instead he's sucked. He needs to play a defensive shut down game and start hitting guys hard. Oh how I wish he would become a big bruising stay at home Dman. He's 6'4" he needs to put on another 10 pounds and stop playing like a pansy. Tortorella should be making him play that style, not forcing him to be an offensive defenseman. It's just nonsense.

I don't want to hear that he's #1 in hits in the team for Dmen. The fact is he rarely/never throws a hit that makes you say "wow what a hit!"
So you want him running all around the ice trying to murder people and taking him out of position just so you can exclaim, "wow what a hit!"?

When players come down the board on Staal's side they will most certainly get roughed up, and if someone is skating towards Staal with their head down he will crush them as long as it doesn't take him out of position. You don't have to hit like Phaneuf to be a defensive force.

Also wrong time to post this, because he had an excellent game last night and for all those people complaining he has no offense, he is almost at .5 ppg, which is good for a defenseman.

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Del Zotto is much better than any of us could have anticipated as a 19 year old. And with the team sucking this hard, at least we have another bright spot in our lineup and future that's not named Marian

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In 3 or 4 years, I think he'll be a fantastic #2, but I'm not quite ready to label him as a future #1. I see a step down from Tomas Kaberle, not a Scott Neidermeyer, but I've underestimated the kid from the start so I hope he proves me wrong yet again.
well put, I am guilty as well underestimating Del Zotts as well. Neidermeyer? well, Nieds was 19 once as well. Anything is possible. The real test will be if Gabby ever cools down (lol) will the wunderkid Del Zotto continue to rack up PP points? Let's face it, the kid is loading up the PP assists and sprinkling in some PP goals. Very intelligent hockey offensive IQ no doubt. I think at worst the blue shirts have a top 4 guy with awesome QB abilities on the PP. Not too shabby. He has good size and skates great and makes awesome outlet passes. If everything works out no reason why he cannot become a #1 puck moving log a ton a minutes top flight d man. Just marry him with a partner that can protect his ass b/c teams will be gunning for him one day in the immediate future See, the blue shirts don't need a lottery pick to get blue chip young talent How is the russian bear looking at Hartford? another potenial blue chipper as well

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He needs to play a defensive shut down game and start hitting guys hard. Oh how I wish he would become a big bruising stay at home Dman. He's 6'4" he needs to put on another 10 pounds and stop playing like a pansy. Tortorella should be making him play that style, not forcing him to be an offensive defenseman. It's just nonsense.

I don't want to hear that he's #1 in hits in the team for Dmen. The fact is he rarely/never throws a hit that makes you say "wow what a hit!"
Before the season Torts was saying how he could improve Staal by adding snarl to his game, I haven't seen it especially the game where he got buried twice, guys that big, 6'4", should play the way Chris Nilan played like a human bowling ball....he definitely needs to add strength and forget about the offensive rush...

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