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12-02-2009, 10:19 PM
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Alexander Frolov

What would it take for the Capitals to acquire him? Most probably at the deadline if they did. The cap next year is on our side since a lot of players are coming off the books but we still have to re-sign a few RFA's/UFA's, but we could still possibly sign him to an extension. Thoughts?

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Something based on Osala and picks?

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Something based on Osala and picks?


Sure you aren't on crack?

A 30 goalscorer for a decent prospect and picks?


Why would the Kings do that? The Kings are trying to make the playoffs and I don't think trading top6 forwards for prospects and picks will help them to achieve that goal.

Use common sense, please.

But thanks for the laugh.


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I'd probably say either a first+perrault

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Osala+2nd

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I'd probably say either a first+perrault

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Osala+2nd
Again, why would the Kings accept that package?

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12-02-2009, 11:00 PM
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Again, why would Kings accept that package?
Because everyone knows that they aren't re-signing him, and they can't take on too much salary.

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12-02-2009, 11:04 PM
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Sure you aren't on crack?

A 30 goalscorer for a decent prospect and picks?


Why would the Kings do that? The Kings are trying to make the playoffs and I don't trading top6 forwards for prospects and picks will help them to achieve that goal.

Use common sense, please.

But thanks for the laugh.
If they aren't going to re-sign him it would be worth exploring trading him for something and trading for someone cheaper to fill the spot. I'm pretty sure this is a deadline deal not a right now deal. Frolov has some knocks against him and has never played a playoff game so expecting the world for him is unreasonable. Osala and 2nd seems like a good starting point for negotiations.

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Because everyone knows that they aren't re-signing him, and they can't take on too much salary.
FAIL.


And again who would replace Frolovs point production on the LW?
Again trading Frolov for pics & prospects ain't helping the Kings to make the playoffs.

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Because everyone knows that they aren't re-signing him, and they can't take on too much salary.
well you're right and wrong at the same time.

right because we won't nor should we get much for Frolov cause he's a UFA after season's end

wrong because if you haven't noticed we have a plethora of prospects and picks and adding more prospects & picks will only stall our development.

If the Kings decide that Frolov isn't worth the extra games after the deadline + any playoff games played (and that's already a big IF) then I would think the swap would be for another player with experience that would fit LA (most likely a LW)

because after all, are we making a push for the playoffs or are we still developing!? if we're making a push, trading Fro wouldnt make sense EVEN IF HE IS A UFA AFTER THIS SEASON...but if you think that we are still rebuilding, then yes ship that 1st round pick + perreault.

where do you think LA is at Mach?

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therefore, i would think LA would most likely package Fro + Prospect + Pick and bring in a veteran presence (probably a LW) that'll have an immediate impact and make a push deep in the playoffs.

so it's the other way around...LA is the team that is looking for the trade that will bring in the best player...so LA is the team that will send a package to get that specific player

so an ideal trade partner, is a team that is looking for a package to fix the now and the future, WSH and LA won't make good trade partners...

i would see teams like Florida, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Columbus, Dallas making better trade partners than WSH

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well you're right and wrong at the same time.

right because we won't nor should we get much for Frolov cause he's a UFA after season's end

wrong because if you haven't noticed we have a plethora of prospects and picks and adding more prospects & picks will only stall our development.

If the Kings decide that Frolov isn't worth the extra games after the deadline + any playoff games played (and that's already a big IF) then I would think the swap would be for another player with experience that would fit LA (most likely a LW)

because after all, are we making a push for the playoffs or are we still developing!? if we're making a push, trading Fro wouldnt make sense EVEN IF HE IS A UFA AFTER THIS SEASON...but if you think that we are still rebuilding, then yes ship that 1st round pick + perreault.

where do you think LA is at Mach?
I know that LA is just finishing a rebuild, but picks are always good things.

Look at Ottawa, They have SJ's 2nd, they aren't rebuilding.

Anaheim has Philadelphia's 1st, they aren't rebuilding.

There are many more examples.

The kings may end up flipping the prospect they get in an even bigger deal.

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FAIL.


And again who would replace Frolovs point production on the LW?
Again trading Frolov for pics & prospects ain't helping the Kings to make the playoffs.
Trade for someone who has a more long term future with the team? I'd say Osala + 2nd for Frolov (given that LW is a weakness in LA's strong prospect pool) and then trade picks/prospects for Ray Whitney, Paul Kariya, Alex Tanguay or Alex Ponikarovsky.

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I know that LA is just finishing a rebuild, but picks are always good things.

Look at Ottawa, They have SJ's 2nd, they aren't rebuilding.

Anaheim has Philadelphia's 1st, they aren't rebuilding.

There are many more examples.

The kings may end up flipping the prospect they get in an even bigger deal.
The only way Frolov is dealt is not for some prospect with marginal value but in a package like Frolov+Moller/Teubert/Hickey+1st rounder for an top 6 LW-er.

Again, the Kings are kinda trying to make the playoffs.

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I know that LA is just finishing a rebuild, but picks are always good things.

Look at Ottawa, They have SJ's 2nd, they aren't rebuilding.

Anaheim has Philadelphia's 1st, they aren't rebuilding.

There are many more examples.

The kings may end up flipping the prospect they get in an even bigger deal.
but at the end of the day, Kings fans and management know if we get rid of Fro...we need an immediate replacement on the LW...

we have Smyth...then Purcell, Parse, Ivanans...nothing too strong there to push for the playoffs, i think most would agree!

so if we do trade Fro for picks, we must immediately make a follow up trade and package players and picks for a strong LW...that's the oly way i could see a FRO for PICKS trade possible.

that LW gap will need to be fulfilled immediately. we are weak on LW

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The only way Frolov is dealt is not for some prospect with marginal value but in a package like Frolov+Moller/Teubert/Hickey+1st rounder for an top 6 LW-er.

Again, the Kings are kinda trying to make the playoffs.
and you know, i would love to have a guy like David Booth...but i'm sure Florida isn't willing

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Trade for someone who has a more long term future with the team? I'd say Osala + 2nd for Frolov (given that LW is a weakness in LA's strong prospect pool) and then trade picks/prospects for Ray Whitney, Paul Kariya, Alex Tanguay or Alex Ponikarovsky.

Or trade Frolov + 1st round pick for Whitney + Cullen+3rd round pick.

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Trade for someone who has a more long term future with the team? I'd say Osala + 2nd for Frolov (given that LW is a weakness in LA's strong prospect pool) and then trade picks/prospects for Ray Whitney, Paul Kariya, Alex Tanguay or Alex Ponikarovsky.
i'm telling you, come March...Ray Whitney is a KING.

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Or trade Frolov + 1st round pick for Whitney + Cullen+3rd round pick.
in a heartbeat

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and you know, i would love to have a guy like David Booth...but i'm sure Florida isn't willing
Frolov+Möller/Hickey+Purcell/Parse + 1st & 2nd rounder for Booth would maybe gain some attention.

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The only way Frolov is dealt is not for some prospect with marginal value but in a package like Frolov+Moller/Teubert/Hickey+1st rounder for an top 6 LW-er.

Again, the Kings are kinda trying to make the playoffs.
who are you going after with that Package? Kovalchuk? Because Atlanta will likely be in the playoff race so will be holding onto him.

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Or trade Frolov + 1st round pick for Whitney + Cullen+3rd round pick.
problem with dealing Frolov to a team out of the playoff hunt is they might not want to re-sign him so the value to them is small unless the can move him again for picks/prospects/players they wan't.

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Frolov+Möller/Hickey+Purcell/Parse + 1st & 2nd rounder for Booth would maybe gain some attention.
i'm sure you've seen Parse play though...i don't want to let him go! he is LA's 2nd best kept secret (after Wayne Simmonds)...that kid has skills

and im still very curious to see what Hickey has to offer (although im thinking he's mostly an offensive D...)

Frolov+Moller+Purcell+1st round pick for David Booth would be sweet

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problem with dealing Frolov to a team out of the playoff hunt is they might not want to re-sign him so the value to them is small unless the can move him again for picks/prospects/players they wan't.
That's why the 1st rounder is included. The Canes would get a 1st round prospect for a underaceving veteran. And they could still negotiate a new contract with Frolov.


Maybe a deal to Minessota: Frolov+Ersberg+2nd for O. Nolan + J. Harding?

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problem with dealing Frolov to a team out of the playoff hunt is they might not want to re-sign him so the value to them is small unless the can move him again for picks/prospects/players they wan't.
i think what the poster was trying to say through this trade proposal is basically dumping salary

Whitney, Cullen, and Fro are all UFAs...if carolina decides to rebuild...then LA is saying hey we give u our 2.9m + a 1st rounder (hence having 2 1st rounders in the draft)...in return we'll take ur UFAs and we'll take ur 3.5m and 2.8m cause we're making a serious push this year

i think that's what he meant...

and it makes alot of sense

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That's why the 1st rounder is included. The Canes would get a 1st round prospect for a underaceving veteran. And they could still negotiate a new contract with Frolov.


Maybe a deal to Minessota: Frolov+Ersberg+2nd for O. Nolan + J. Harding?
nolan=RW
harding=unproven backup exactly like Ersberg

and i say unproven because yes he was awesome under Lemaire..but look at him now

LA says no!

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