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Game 28 | Detroit Red Wings @ New Jersey Devils | 7:00 PM EST | FS-D |

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Game Information

7:00 PM EST
Prudential Center, Newark (New Jersey)


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Team Comparison:
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27 Games Played 26
13 Wins 18
10 Losses 7
4 OT Losses 1
30 Points 37
0.556 P% 0.712
2.74 G/G 2.69
2.78 GA/G 2.19
21.1 PP% 22.2
76.9 PK% 82.3
34.2 S/G 29.8
27.8 SA/G 27.6
52.2 FO% 48.0



Tampa Bay Lightning @ New Jersey Devils 2 - 3
Recap | Boxscore | Video | Photos

New Jersey DevilsTeam Statistics:
Goals Scored Assist Points
Zach Parise (15) Jamie Langenbrunner (18) Zach Parise (30)
Plus/Minus Goals Against Average Goalie Save Percentage
Zach Parise (+16) Martin Brodeur (2.17) Martin Brodeur (.920)
Wins Shut out wins Penalty Minutes
Martin Brodeur (16) Martin Brodeur (1) David Clarkson (39)

Game Day Stories:
Jacques Lemaire puts Devils through tough practice
NJ Devils rookie defensemen Matt Corrente and Mark Fraser are two tough customers
Brendan Shanahan recalls some emotional days with NJ Devils
Did Ilkka Pikkarainen get the message when NJ Devils sent him to minors?

Team Injuries:
____Position________Player________Injury________Status____
D Paul Martin Broken left arm Out
D Colin White Lower body soreness Questionable
C/W Dainius Zubrus Right kneecap surgery Out
RW David Clarkson Broken right fibula Out

Projected Lineup:
_________Left Wing__________________Center__________________Right Wing_________
Zach Parise Travis Zajac Niclas Bergfors
Brian Rolston Patrik Elias Jamie Langenbrunner
Jay Pandolfo Rob Niedermayer Vladimir Zharkov
Rod Pelley Dean McAmmond Ilkka Pikkarainen

_________Left Defenseman__________________Right Defenseman_________
Bryce Salvador Andy Greene
Colin White Mike Mottau
Johnny Oduya Matt Corrente

_________Goaltender_________
Martin Brodeur

In the spotlight:
Left Wing Center Center

Roster:
Forwards:
Name POS NO DOB HT WT SH POB DRAFT
Rob Niedermayer C 21 12/28/1974 6-2 201 L Cassiar, CAN Florida(1993)1,5
Rod Pelley C 10 9/1/1984 6-0 200 L Kitimat, CAN Undrafted
Travis Zajac C 19 5/13/1985 6-3 195 R Winnipeg, CAN New Jersey(2004)1,20
Dainius Zubrus C 8 6/16/1978 6-5 225 L Elektrenai, LTU Philadelphia(1996)1,15
Patrik Elias L 26 4/13/1976 6-1 195 L Trebic, CZE New Jersey(1994)2,51
Dean McAmmond L 11 6/15/1973 5-11 193 L Grande Cache, CAN Chicago(1991)1,22
Jay Pandolfo L 20 12/27/1974 6-1 190 L Winchester, USA New Jersey(1993)2,32
Zach Parise L 9 7/28/1984 5-11 190 L Minneapolis, USA New Jersey(2003)1,17
Niclas Bergfors R 18 3/7/1987 5-11 195 R Sodertalje, SWE New Jersey(2005)1,23
David Clarkson R 23 3/31/1984 6-1 200 R Toronto, CAN Undrafted
Jamie Langenbrunner R 15 7/24/1975 6-1 205 R Duluth, USA Dallas(1993)2,35
Ilkka Pikkarainen R 17 4/19/1981 6-2 189 R Sonkaj�Rvi, FIN New Jersey(2002)7,218
Brian Rolston R 12 2/21/1973 6-2 210 L Flint, USA New Jersey(1991)1,11
Vladimir Zharkov R 28 1/10/1988 6-0 187 L Elektrostal, RUS New Jersey(2006)3,77

Defense:
Name POS NO DOB HT WT SH POB DRAFT
Matthew Corrente D 32 3/17/1988 6-0 189 R Mississauga, CAN New Jersey(2006)1,30
Mark Fraser D 2 9/29/1986 6-3 200 L Ottawa, CAN New Jersey(2005)3,84
Andy Greene D 6 10/30/1982 5-11 190 L Trenton, USA Undrafted
Paul Martin D 7 3/5/1981 6-1 200 L Minneapolis, USA New Jersey(2000)2,62
Mike Mottau D 27 3/19/1978 6-0 190 L Quincy, USA Ny Rangers(1997)7,182
Johnny Oduya D 29 10/1/1981 6-0 195 L Stockholm, SWE Washington(2001)7,221
Bryce Salvador D 24 2/11/1976 6-3 215 L Brandon, CAN Undrafted
Colin White D 5 12/12/1977 6-4 215 L New Glasgow, CAN New Jersey(1996)2,49

Goalies:
Name POS NO DOB HT WT SH POB DRAFT
Martin Brodeur G 30 5/6/1972 6-2 215 L Montreal, CAN New Jersey(1990)1,20 *
Yann Danis G 35 6/21/1981 6-0 182 L Saint-Jerome, CAN Undrafted

* Starting Goaltender



Edmonton Oilers @ Detroit Red Wings 4 - 1
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Detroit Red WingsTeam Statistics:
Goals Scored Assist Points
Tomas Holmstrom (10) Henrik Zetterberg (17) Henrik Zetterberg (27)
Plus/Minus Goals Against Average Goalie Save Percentage
Patrick Eaves (+6) Jimmy Howard (2.67) Jimmy Howard (.906)
Wins Shut out wins Penalty Minutes
James Howard (7) Chris Osgood (1) Brad May (36)

Game Day Stories:
Red Wings begin annual fathers trip looking for points vs. Devils, Rangers
Sluggish Red Wings' 4-1 loss to Oilers leaves coach Mike Babcock frustrated
Young Jakub Kindl kicks off career with Wings
Red Wings lament the hole they've dug

Team Injuries:
____Position________Player____ Injury____Status____
D Andreas Lilja Post-concussion symptoms Out
LW Johan Franzen ACL Out
C Valtteri Filppula Broken right wrist Out
RW/C Jason Williams Broken right fibula Out
D Niklas Kronwall MCL sprain Out
RW/LW Patrick Eaves Sore left ankle Questionable
D Brain Rafalski Tightness in back Questionable

Projected Lineup:
_________Left Wing__________________Center__________________Right Wing_________
Ville Leino Pavel Datsyuk Tomas Holmstrom
Todd Bertuzzi Henrik Zetterberg Daniel Cleary
Kris Draper Darren Helm Drew Miller
Brad May Justin Abdelkader Kirk Maltby

_________Left Defenseman__________________Right Defenseman_________
Nicklas Lidström Jonathan Ericsson
Brad Stuart Derek Meech
Brett Lebda Jakub Kindl

The defensive pairings are going in the blender

_________Goaltender_________
Chris Osgood

In the spotlight:
Goaltender Defenseman (L) Cener

Roster:
Forwards:
NAME POS NO DOB HT WT SH POB DRAFT
Pavel Datsyuk C 13 7/20/1978 5-11 197 L Sverdlovsk, RUS Detroit(1998)6,171
Kris Draper C 33 5/24/1971 5-10 192 L Toronto, CAN Winnipeg(1989)3,62
Darren Helm C 43 1/21/1987 5-11 172 L Winnipeg, CAN Detroit(2005)5,132
Justin Abdelkader L 8 2/25/1987 6-1 210 L Muskegon, USA Detroit(2005)2,42
Tomas Holmstrom L 96 1/23/1973 6-0 202 L Pitea, SWE Detroit(1994)10,257
Ville Leino L 21 10/6/1983 6-0 182 L Savonlinna, FIN Undrafted
Kirk Maltby L 18 12/22/1972 6-0 200 R Guelph, CAN Edmonton(1992)3,65
Drew Miller L 16 2/17/1984 6-2 185 L Dover, USA Anaheim(2003)6,186
Brad May L 20 11/29/1971 6-1 213 L Toronto, CAN Buffalo(1990)1,14
Henrik Zetterberg L 40 10/9/1980 5-11 195 L Sundsvall, SWE Detroit(1999)7,210
Todd Bertuzzi R 7 2/2/1975 6-3 227 L Sudbury, CAN Ny Islanders(1993)1,23
Daniel Cleary R 11 12/18/1978 6-0 210 L Carbonear, CAN Chicago(1997)1,13
Patrick Eaves R 44 5/1/1984 5-11 190 R Calgary, CAN Ottawa(2003)1,29

Defense:
NAME POS NO DOB HT WT SH POB DRAFT
Jonathan Ericsson D 52 3/2/1984 6-5 201 L Karlskrona, SWE Detroit(2002)9,291
Jakub Kindl D 46 2/10/1987 6-3 199 L Sumperk, CZE Detroit(2005)1,19
Brett Lebda D 22 1/15/1982 5-9 194 L Buffalo Grove, USA Undrafted
Nicklas Lidstrom D 5 4/28/1970 6-1 193 L Vasteras, SWE Detroit(1989)3,53
Derek Meech D 14 4/21/1984 5-11 182 L Winnipeg, CAN Detroit(2002)7,229
Brian Rafalski D 28 9/28/1973 5-10 195 R Dearborn, USA Undrafted
Brad Stuart D 23 11/6/1979 6-2 213 L Rocky Mountain House, CAN San Jose(1998)1,3

Goalies:
NAME POS NO DOB HT WT SH POB DRAFT
James Howard G 35 3/26/1984 6-0 218 L Syracuse, USA Detroit(2003)2,64
Chris Osgood G 30 11/26/1972 5-10 176 L Peace River, CAN Detroit(1991)3,54 *

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Overview
Extra InformationThe Red Wings arrived in New York on Friday with good news to report on Jonathan Ericsson, whose knee scare in Thursday's game won't prevent him from playing tonight against the Devils.

Ericsson's leg buckled after hitting a rut, but he skated Friday, and general manager Ken Holland said Ericsson is fine to play. "There were some initial concerns, but he didn't need any tests," Holland said. "He just had a twinge in his knee."

Defenseman Brian Rafalski (back) and forward Patrick Eaves (ankle) also practiced and could be ready either tonight or Sunday against the Rangers.

That's the good news. The old news is that again the Wings are trying to get another winning streak going, this time after a 4-1 loss Thursday to an Oilers team decimated by injuries and hard-pressed for victories. The Wings should have picked off Edmonton -- instead they made numerous turnovers and looked little like the team that had won the previous two games.

With regulars Niklas Kronwall, Johan Franzen, Valtteri Filppula and Jason Williams sidelined, it's natural the Wings can't be the team they are at full strength -- but there's a growing sense of how they have to play now to still win more often than lose.

"We just have to keep getting into the mind-set that we play a lot better defensively when we're more conscientious with the puck," Dan Cleary said. "When we win, we don't turn the puck over as much. It's going to be really critical for us that we have to be patient and wear the other team out."

Significant injuries have exacerbated the adjustment period the Wings were bound to have this season, as they morphed from last season's lethal offensive squad into this season's tempered squad.

"We realize as a group we're not going to score as many goals, so we have to tighten down," Brad Stuart said. "We were guilty last year of relying on our offense too much. This year, we didn't start out as well as we wanted to defensively, but we've got better maybe I think because of that realization that we're not going to score five or six goals a night. We're going to have to buckle down and win 2-1, 3-1 games more often than not. That's the mentality we have to develop."


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Jakub Kindl #46 of the Detroit Red Wings skates behind the net with the puck during an NHL game against the Edmonton Oilers at Joe Louis Arena on December 3, 2009 in Detroit, Michigan.



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NJ has some pretty significant injuries, too. Hopefully the line of Bert-Z-Cleary stays together. Heres hoping for W396.

Nice job as always TG.

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Lines are

Datsyuk - Zetterberg - Holmstrom
Leino - Cleary - Bertuzzi
Draper - Helm - Eaves
Miller - Abdelkader - Maltby

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NJ has some pretty significant injuries, too. Hopefully the line of Bert-Z-Cleary stays together. Heres hoping for W396.

Nice job as always TG.
As did Edmonton but we still sucked.

Hopefully we come out with some fire tonight and get the job done. Thank god "E" isnt out today. Our defense would be disgusting even more so.

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NJ has some pretty significant injuries, too. Hopefully the line of Bert-Z-Cleary stays together. Heres hoping for W396.

Nice job as always TG.
That would have been a nice thing to see, however...

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Leino - Cleary - Bertuzzi
Draper - Helm - Eaves
Miller - Abdelkader - Maltby
Glad to see Babcock giving the centers a chance to play center. I don't understand why he's so dead-set on keeping Draper at the wing and not just tossing Helm up to the 2nd line if he's going to play D and Z together.

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Noticing the standings, parity has arrived.
The Wings are seven points behind Chicaco, for first in the Central and second in the West.
The Wings are five points ahead of Ducks, for last in the conference.

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That would have been a nice thing to see, however...



Glad to see Babcock giving the centers a chance to play center. I don't understand why he's so dead-set on keeping Draper at the wing and not just tossing Helm up to the 2nd line if he's going to play D and Z together.
Its good to see the ZDH line back. However, going into what you said about Draper playing Helm's wing. I dont think he's compeltely ready for a second line spot to be honest with ya. He's a prototypical third line grinder and I think we need to leave him in that roll. You know Babs, give it time and I think you might start to see Helm moves up in the lineup to give Hank or Pavel some speed on the wing.

Side note, I missed some of what Holland said the other night, how far away are Fil and Willy from coming back? I know he said Kronwall is Jan. and Johan is probably after the Olympic break but what about them two?

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Its good to see the ZDH line back. However, going into what you said about Draper playing Helm's wing. I dont think he's compeltely ready for a second line spot to be honest with ya. He's a prototypical third line grinder and I think we need to leave him in that roll. You know Babs, give it time and I think you might start to see Helm moves up in the lineup to give Hank or Pavel some speed on the wing.
Well that's the problem, nobody's ever really "ready" for change. We've never really seen Cleary play center for any length of time, so isn't putting him in the second line center slot a little riskier than playing someone there who plays center all the time?

Sure, Helm may not truly be "second line" material, but when there isn't really another option on the team, I'd think* the smart move would be to play him there.

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Well that's the problem, nobody's ever really "ready" for change. We've never really seen Cleary play center for any length of time, so isn't putting him in the second line center slot a little riskier than playing someone there who plays center all the time?

Sure, Helm may not truly be "second line" material, but when there isn't really another option on the team, I'd think* the smart move would be to play him there.
Well, ill also go out and say that I highly doubt the ZDH line is together the entire night. You might see Helm moves around up top. Thing is, the third line has not been too bad. Why break up something that hasnt been overly horrible?

Hey, I wouldnt mind seeing helm moved up a little to an extent. I wouldnt mind seeing how he does for a period or so. Im also curious to see how Kindl plays tonight as well. Jitters should be gone so hopefully he plays solid tonight.

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Cleary played center for a good portion of his first year in Detroit.

At this point in his career, Draper is not an effective center anymore, he cannot handle the defensive responsibilities. Still an effective (possibly elite) faceoff man, he's played his best hockey in the past few years on the wing.

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Well, ill also go out and say that I highly doubt the ZDH line is together the entire night. You might see Helm moves around up top. Thing is, the third line has not been too bad. Why break up something that hasnt been overly horrible?
That's a GREAT question, perhaps it should be directed to Babcock.

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At this point in his career, Draper is not an effective center anymore, he cannot handle the defensive responsibilities. Still an effective (possibly elite) faceoff man, he's played his best hockey in the past few years on the wing.
That's why you play Abdelkader at third-line center with Miller and x, and Draper at fourth with May and Maltby. Draper isn't completely inept when it comes to defensive hockey... yet.

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I don't even think he's a 4th line center anymore. The Draper - Helm - Eaves line has been too good to break up and even if Cleary isn't the best center I like him better there than breaking up the Helm line.

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As did Edmonton but we still sucked.

Hopefully we come out with some fire tonight and get the job done. Thank god "E" isnt out today. Our defense would be disgusting even more so.
I meant it more like that its no excuse, and not to take them lightly like we did with Edmonton. Atleast for us as fans, anyways. No excuses for weak goals tonight, either....though I expect NJ to score atleast a couple 'strong' ones.

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I don't even think he's a 4th line center anymore. The Draper - Helm - Eaves line has been too good to break up and even if Cleary isn't the best center I like him better there than breaking up the Helm line.
If, in fact, Eaves is playing, then you're absolutely right.

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Glad to see Babcock giving the centers a chance to play center. I don't understand why he's so dead-set on keeping Draper at the wing and not just tossing Helm up to the 2nd line if he's going to play D and Z together.
I dunno why, but I'd like to see something like Bert-Helm-Miller...I just see Helm rushing in and failing, and Bertuzzi and Miller cleaning up in the madness that follows.

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I dunno why, but I'd like to see something like Bert-Helm-Miller...I just see Helm rushing in and failing, and Bertuzzi and Miller cleaning up in the madness that follows.
Personally, I didnt mind Bert with Hank and Clears the other day. I just hope to GOD we can get pavel rolling soon.

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Personally, I didnt mind Bert with Hank and Clears the other day. I just hope to GOD we can get pavel rolling soon.
See, now THAT was the line I was screaming for the other night. They scored the only goal, showed some good chemistry, and were promptly broken up.

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Good. The ZDH line is back together, the way it should be. Hopefully this can get Datsyuk going again (playing with the likes of Bertuzzi was really dragging him down).

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I flat out hate seeing the Leino-Cleary-Bertuzzi line being put together. They were brutal when Babs turned to them in the Atlanta game when he shuffled lines midway through.

The injuries have just flat out limited the options he has for lines. I don't know how many different ways he can shake up this lineup. He seems to be sold on who are in the top 6 and then he shuffles guys in and out on the other two lines. You obviously don't plan on doing this in a season because you hope for a healthy team but this has been a trying year for him to find the right formula for what he has available.

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Would rather see Abdelkader center the 2nd line than Cleary.

They're both kind of bad at faceoffs though.

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Would rather see Abdelkader center the 2nd line than Cleary.

They're both kind of bad at faceoffs though.
Well if TG is right about the lineups for NJ(which he is 99% of the time) Elias is NJ's second line center. Elias is horrible at face offs w/ a 37.7 win percentage this year. Cleary(with limited attempts), has a 44.9%. Still a advantage for Det.

And with our 3/4th lines being more consistent than our top 2, you don't switch that up. Putting Z and Pav together solidifies our top line rather than having 2 ****** lines we now only have one. Leino-Cleary-Bert might surprise some people. They practiced together and were not just thrown together in the middle of a game every.

Go Wings dammit, I would love to be 6-1-2(or something real close to that) this month going into the home and home vs. Chi-town. Let's get on a streak.

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This is one we should probaly lose, so we will probaly win. Seems to be the way this season, opposite of what you would expect.

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Heh, ZDH is the "2nd line", wonder if Babs filled the sheet out that way. Lebda for diving?

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Boring so far. Not much open ice and no fire for the Wings.

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Was only a matter of time....sigh.

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