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There's been an argument in another thread. Is there a real market for a $7.1m/year, average to above average defenseman, with 6 more years @ age 30 with a NTC?
There's been an argument in another thread. Is there a real market for a $7.1m/year, average to above average defenseman, with 6 more years @ age 30 with a NTC?
definitely has negative value in my eyes. That is an albatross of a contract and for anyone to take it on, I would imagine they would have to get something pretty nice alongside Campbell
definitely has negative value in my eyes. That is an albatross of a contract and for anyone to take it on, I would imagine they would have to get something pretty nice alongside Campbell
not true. that helps montreal. campbell is better than gomez for the money. since both teams are stuck with a crappy contract for a long time id rather have the crappy contract of campbell than gomez.
im still not sure how sather convinced gainey to do that deal. if only chicago had been aware of these trade talks perhaps they could have convinced gainey to have his head up his arse and dealt for their crap rather than sathers.
I don't think there's much of a market out there but that doesn't mean some GM won't come and bail the hawks out. Not sure who would want to touch that though.
not true. that helps montreal. campbell is better than gomez for the money. since both teams are stuck with a crappy contract for a long time id rather have the crappy contract of campbell than gomez.
That could be true.
Let me try again then, loan Campbellov to the KHL for 6 years.
Campbell isn't just above average... he's a good top pairing puck-moving d-man... his value is terrible though, because of the overpay.
The way I see it, you can have a little matrix to get an idea of a player's worth
------------------ cheap(min-1.9)|| below average(1.9-3) || Average(3-5) || above average(5-6.5) || expensive(6.5+)
elite forward/d-man-----excellent---------- great--------------- very good---------- good ---------------average
top line/pairing-----great---------- very good--------------- good---------- average ---------------below average
2nd line/pairing-----very good---------- good--------------- average---------- below average ---------------bad
3rd line/pairing-----good---------- average--------------- below average---------- bad ---------------very bad
4th line/depth-----average---------- below average--------------- bad---------- very bad ---------------terrible
this is just the player's value on his own, not taking into account cap space or team needs... so the next matrix would be player's value vs cap space, to show how cap-friendly a player is to that team, and then you'd do cap friendliness vs. team needs.
Campbell in the 1st matrix, would be below average in terms of value
given Chicago's cap space, in the 2nd matrix, he would probably rank as bad
and since Chicago isn't in desperate need of offense, from the forwards or the defense, he would probably rank as terrible in the final matrix.
Campbell will serve out his contract in the windy city, or gross contracts will be swapped, resulting in chicargo still losing many important pieces to there overall success. I love the cap era
Before the bashers come, lets go back to the thousands of posts made about Gomez never being able to be dealt. I remember people saying he had negative value , laughing in Rangers fans faces, etc. Rangers got pretty damn good return for him. I'd rather have Campbell at 7 than Gomez. Campells NTC is a whole 'nother story.
There's been an argument in another thread. Is there a real market for a $7.1m/year, average to above average defenseman, with 6 more years @ age 30 with a NTC?
Really this needed a thread after 10 pages of the same thing that you and one Hawks fan argued about. Plus tons of other posters giving there opinion. I am telling you right now that Hawksfan 2828 and the new flapjack guy will not stop so save yourself the time and just ignore him.
Different Hawks fan then in previous thread here. Campbell can do the spinarama so maybe?? It really doesn't matter at this point what Campbell is worth. Everyone in Chicago agrees he is a tad overpaid but not a horrible player by any stretch. This would not even be an issue aside from all the talent on this team that we are trying to keep.
Hawks avoided the tagging issue even with signing TKK. This will probably wait until the offseason. Still, if the Hawks want to unload him they can offer draft picks and pay a portion of his salary to offset his huge contract.
Different Hawks fan then in previous thread here. Campbell can do the spinarama so maybe?? It really doesn't matter at this point what Campbell is worth. Everyone in Chicago agrees he is a tad overpaid but not a horrible player by any stretch. This would not even be an issue aside from all the talent on this team that we are trying to keep.
Hawks avoided the tagging issue even with signing TKK. This will probably wait until the offseason. Still, if the Hawks want to unload him they can offer draft picks and pay a portion of his salary to offset his huge contract.
They will probably want to unload him before the new cap is announced this summer. if they still have him and the cap goes down which is a possibility they're stuck with him.
In terms of value, by himself, not a whole lot because of his value, the Hawks would need to take back a fairly horrid contract to make this happen.
You throw in a high draft pick or good to great prospect there's a possibility.
I just can't see the interest from other teams, not some much for the dollar amounts, but the length of Campbell's deal.
There's been an argument in another thread. Is there a real market for a $7.1m/year, average to above average defenseman, with 6 more years @ age 30 with a NTC?
If Gomez can be traded, any players can be traded. However, I think Chicago would have to pay another team to take him and his contract. Atlanta wanted him and offered similar money, so perhaps Skille, Versteeg/Barker and Campbell for an expiring contract? Yes, Chicago gets no value back but I would think that they'd be happy just unloading his salary. Regardless, I don't think it will ever happen, you just don't see deals like that in the NHL. Atlanta, at this point, would likely want no part of this deal of course since it ties their hands and Campbell's NTC would kill it anyways.
Before the bashers come, lets go back to the thousands of posts made about Gomez never being able to be dealt. I remember people saying he had negative value , laughing in Rangers fans faces, etc. Rangers got pretty damn good return for him. I'd rather have Campbell at 7 than Gomez. Campells NTC is a whole 'nother story.
Gomez's performance this year might serve as a cautionary tale for any other team thinking of taking on a similar contract. It was just a brutal, brutal move by Montreal. I don't think any Habs fans would argue with that assessment.
I love the cap era
