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12-03-2009, 04:05 PM
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What's the big deal about either of the **** brothers? They just seem to be project players, so why the hell would we move an all-star for them?

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12-03-2009, 04:07 PM
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Why does everyone suddenly have such a hard-on for Subban? Good player, not the superstar some here apparently think he is.
World juniors does that to quite a few players.

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12-03-2009, 04:08 PM
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They're going to waive ~12 million in cap? Somehow I don't think the habs would "want to make it work"...
Yeah, they have Markov on LTIR, and again, if you want the player you make it work.

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12-03-2009, 04:08 PM
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Oilers need to shed on of their big money contracts and at some point in time fans will to accept that fact that souray, vish, penner or hemsjy will need to get moved. Horcoff is untradable

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12-03-2009, 04:09 PM
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Why does everyone suddenly have such a hard-on for Subban? Good player, not the superstar some here apparently think he is.
Because people are sure he won't be Shawn Belle, honestly.

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12-03-2009, 04:12 PM
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Just because he's worth it, doesn't mean they'd get what he's worth.
Then we wont be trading him...

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12-03-2009, 04:16 PM
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Does Lubo waive his NMC? Not like it's great here, but it sure the hell isn't looking much better in Montreal.

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12-03-2009, 04:24 PM
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I honestly am not too interested in Andrei Kostitsyn (just because we have many players of his ilk), however I am very interested in O'Byrne. That's not as bad a deal as people make it sound. The Oilers could use someone of O'Byrne's size and defensive abilities (albeit inconsistent right now) on their blueline.

It would be a deal I'd give some consideration. Lubo is a fantastic player though... so really, the trepidation there is we're giving up a guy who is a top level d-man for two guys that you can't really say are at the top of their game. Perhaps something like this would work:

To MTL:
Lubo
Deslauriers

To EDM:
Halak
1st or 2nd Rounder
O'Byrne
Pouliot

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To MTL:
Lubo

To EDM:
Plekanec
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12-03-2009, 04:27 PM
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One thing I find either sad or disturbing is how in one discussin people want to shake up the core of the team but then on the next thread they then start naming untouchables and that guys on the third or fouth line shouyld be traded


Bottom line is that the oilersd need to address the foundation

That being sdaid I don't like the trade offer mentioned and unless a first rounder is coming back and maybe both k brothers

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12-03-2009, 04:35 PM
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Adam Larsson.

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He, or Derrick Pouliot in '12.

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5'11, 170 right now, but Ray Bourque is the easiest comparison to make; Hockey sense way, way beyond his years, so smooth and efficient a skater that he barely moves his feet, and a terrific sense of angles and defense. Hell of a shot- his wrister is harder than a lot of slappers.

It's incredible that there was such a huge debate at the Bantam Draft over whether he was the top player. His competition was a kid named Morgan Rielly. They're the same size, but in the same league Rielly's numbers look like this: 18 GP, 3-10-13. In Bantam they were also lesser: 23 GP, 25-27-52.

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12-03-2009, 04:36 PM
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Players Oilers should Keep,

Hemsky
Penner
Gagner
Brule
JFJ
Stortini
One of Sourray Vish
One of Gilbert Grebs
One of Staois Strudz

That is all

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12-03-2009, 04:37 PM
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Does Lubo waive his NMC? Not like it's great here, but it sure the hell isn't looking much better in Montreal.

Lubo doesn't have a NTC/NMC anymore. That was for the first year of his contract. If you're traded before the NTC/NMC kicks in, the receiving team doesn't have to honor the clause, apparently. However the Oilers "graciously" honored 1 year.

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12-03-2009, 04:38 PM
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On Plekanec, is it really a good idea for us to trade for an impending UFA? Everyone wants him this year, but I really don't see these guy being more than a 50 point player over the course of his career with the odd 60+ year in there. Not sure Plekanec really brings that we don't have in Horcoff and Gagner.

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12-03-2009, 04:40 PM
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Lubo doesn't have a NTC/NMC anymore. That was for the first year of his contract. If you're traded before the NTC/NMC kicks in, the receiving team doesn't have to honor the clause, apparently. However the Oilers "graciously" honored 1 year.

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I was just going off of what nhlscap said. Good to know.

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12-03-2009, 04:53 PM
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Players Oilers should Keep,

Hemsky
Penner
Gagner
Brule
JFJ

Stortini
One of Souray Vish
One of Gilbert Grebs
One of Staois Strudz

That is all
That's my vote. And I would much rather have Stone than Stortini. But that's me. Cheaper cap space.

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12-03-2009, 04:58 PM
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Start with Max Pacioretty and add one of Subban, Lapierre or a 1st.

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12-03-2009, 05:00 PM
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Adding Visnovsky doesn't make any sense for the Habs. They already have a similar player in Markov, and they already have two defensemen making ~6 million/year (Markov and Hamrlik).

I think a trade for Gilbert or Grebeshkov is more likely (but not for that package).

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12-03-2009, 05:02 PM
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That's my vote. And I would much rather have Stone than Stortini. But that's me. Cheaper cap space.
and I would rather keep Visnovsky then Hemsky ... I dont get the ppl putting him in trade proposals..

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12-03-2009, 05:17 PM
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Players Oilers should Keep,

Hemsky
Penner
Gagner
Brule
JFJ
Stortini
One of Sourray Vish
One of Gilbert Grebs
One of Staois Strudz

That is all

Yeap someone fails to grasp the whole change the foundation idea

Why keep either staois or strudz? Oilers are years away from being a contender and both are over 33 and won't be around. When the oilers turn the page

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12-03-2009, 05:21 PM
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Yeap someone fails to grasp the whole change the foundation idea
Not sure what your refering to


Why keep either staois or strudz? Oilers are years away from being a contender and both are over 33 and won't be around. When the oilers turn the page
Yep But you still need vets to help the kids. Staois and Strudz are great professionals.

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Players Oilers should Keep,

Hemsky
Penner
Gagner
Brule
JFJ
Stortini

One of Sourray Vish
One of Gilbert Grebs
One of Staois Strudz Neither

That is all
Lubo has way longer shelf life as a good skater and good PP specialist. Souray brings nice assertive play and a bomb and wants to "get things done" by working hard but hes about one injury or a couple seasons away from being buried. hes not worthing having around in a rebuild. toss em while his value is there.

Struds and Staios both need to go for the same reason too. too old and too slow/crappy. maybe the Oilers could draft some dudes who arent morons so they can enter the NHL game without having to be "weened" for so long. that would be nice.

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12-03-2009, 05:26 PM
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Lubo has way longer shelf life as a good skater and good PP specialist. Souray brings nice assertive play and a bomb and wants to "get things done" by working hard but hes about one injury or a couple seasons away from being buried. hes not worthing having around in a rebuild. toss em while his value is there.

Struds and Staios both need to go for the same reason too. too old and too slow/crappy. maybe the Oilers could draft some dudes who arent morons so they can enter the NHL game without having to be "weened" for so long. that would be nice.
Like Chorney Peckham Petry?

Sorry you cant get the team and not have vets around to show kids how to be professionals.

Hell Even Crosby and Ovy got Tutored by veterans.

EDIT Smid is a keeper

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12-03-2009, 05:30 PM
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Apologies if this doesn't deserve it's own thread... heard on 990 one of the guests said his sources have said Montreal is discussing with Edmonton Visnovsky, names going other way were Andrei Kostitsyn and O'Byrne.
I would actually do that if a 1st was included. But for Souray instead.

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12-03-2009, 05:48 PM
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I guess this is the Edmonton/Hab rumour for this month. These get so tired. There is nothing that I want from that team. There is very little that we could get that would even make sense for us. Enough already.

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12-03-2009, 06:21 PM
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are people serious about the kostytsens in any deal here???? i want no part of guys who were supposedly rumored to be in trouble in montreal on the legal side and also andrei was put on the 4th line cause he wasnt putting in any effort and the same for segei who found himself on the AHL club and pondering going back to russia. why are there names even suggested here??? NO WAY. if they join this team i will not cheer for the oilers.

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