Proposal: Tor/Van

[JalapenoPeppa*]

I don't think the Leafs need more grit on defense. Well they could use a little of everything, but they need to get some preliminary scoring first. Cory S. isn't a bad idea though.

[The Management]

Originally Posted by Reign Nateo

What is this make-beleive day? C'mon man what are you 8?

There have been more than a few juvenile posts in this thread from Canucks fans.

Schneider, Bieksa and a 1st for Kaberle? Nah.

Yeah. Nah. I wouldn't pull the trigger on that one, either.

There's no reason for us to give up on Gustavsson just yet, and Kaberle is one of the best puck-moving defenceman in the game. With nobody to replace him on the back-end, our transition game would really suffer. It would take a more attractive package for me to bite.

Nuckfan in TO had it right.

With Erhoff and Edler, you're set. No reason for us to do this, either, as we're quite content on the blueline as well.

[RandV]

Seriously? A Kaberle to Vancouver deal made sense in the offseason, but Vancouver has since added Ehrhoff and Schneider to address the puck moving need, and with the Kessel trade Toronto has committed themselves to winning this season (even if it got off to a rocky start). Never mind arguing the relative value of either sides player, any deal between the two no longer became feasible two months ago.

[crazy Kassian]

I'd do it for sure

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Originally Posted by YogiCanucks

I like this trade from a Leaf perspective. Kaberle just isn't going to be around when the Mapes get good (or he'll be on the decline). This trade makes future Leafs much better.

I don't like this so much from a Canucks standpoint though.

I'm sorry but you've got it twisted.. PMD like Kaberle usually have a much longer shelf life then the more aggressive and gritty defencemen. See Scott Niedermayer (35y/o), Brian Rafalski (35y/o), Kimmo Timonen (34y/o) & Sergei Gonchar (35y/o) & the last time I checked, each and every single one of those PMD are still vital to their respective teams' success.

Using your train of thought the Habs should just deal Andrei Markov (30y/o) because he'll regress to scrubs in a few years. Dan Boyle (32y/o), Brian Campbell (30y/o), Lubomir Visnovsky (32y/o) & Mark Streit (31y/o) will all be scrubs in just a few years too, right?

I can't believe I just had to explain something so obvious to someone that has over 10K posts on these boards.

Now, lets talk about how this trade makes the Leafs better?

Replace Kevin Bieksa (a fine player the Leafs absolutely do not need) with a PMD specialist & remove Ponikarovsky from the top-line and replace him with Jannik Hansen (another player the Maple Leafs absolutely do not need) & tell me exactly how the Leafs get better. Sure, Schneider would be welcome in Toronto but not at the expense of Kaberle and Poni. The Maple Leafs believe that Gustavsson fills the void that Schneider would fill between the pipes. I've said it once and I'll say it again, "The only intriguing component coming from the Canucks is the 1st round pick."

Now from the Canucks POV, I don't know why they would pony up the value the Maple Leafs want for Kaberle when they have Erhoff (who has been nothing short of fantastic) & Alex Edler who I believe will become an elite PMD in the near future. This deal makes no sense from both sides. YogiCanucks, you failed at trying to convince people that the Leafs would get better simply because two ex-'nucks would be playing in Toronto. It's not that simple

[Kagee*]

If someone proposes a Kaberle to Vancouver trade one more time..