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12-04-2009, 07:14 AM
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Blueshirts hope moves lead to W's

Decent write up by Larry Brooks.

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As far as Rangers shakeups go, this is not waiving Eddie Giacomin a week before trading Jean Ratelle and Brad Park in 1975.

Having said that, the personnel moves over the last two days, in which the Blueshirts acquired center Erik Christensen off waivers from Anaheim, exchanged goaltenders by waiving Steve Valiquette to the AHL while recalling Chad Johnson from the Wolf Pack, and promoted defenseman Ilkka Heikkinen from Hartford, are indications that management is not going to sit still while the club nosedives to the nether regions of the East.
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"This is not to threaten," coach John Tortorella said following practice. "But we haven't won a lot of games lately."
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They will face the Sabres with Artem Anisimov centering Marian Gaborik and Vinny Prospal on a reconfigured first line. They will do so with Christensen, who was pointless in nine games with the Ducks, skating between Christopher Higgins and Ales Kotalik. And with the 25-year-old Heikkinen making his NHL debut
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Prospal's return to his primary position on the wing will bump Sean Avery onto a line with Chris Drury, who had his best game of the year in Monday's 5-2 loss to the Penguins, and Ryan Callahan. Tortorella also said Kotalik, who had lost his spot on the power play point the last two games, would be restored to his post on the first power play unit.

"It's been part of the process with [Kotalik]," Tortorella said. "There's no question we've been upset with his play, especially five-on-five, so I felt the need to get his attention. Now is the time for him to jam it to me.

"I know he's not happy, but don't make faces and don't tell me. Show me. Show us."
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Anisimov, who has gotten stronger assuming more responsibility in the absence of Brandon Dubinsky, will get the opportunity to show Tortorella that he can handle playing with Gaborik and Prospal. If he can, it will open options for Tortorella (and perhaps for general manager Glen Sather, too) once Dubinsky returns from his broken right hand, perhaps in two weeks.

"Artie is the one guy who has improved with more ice time," Tortorella said of the rookie center, who has been skating between P.A. Parenteau and either Avery or Higgins. "Now I want to see how he handles even more minutes."
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The Rangers hope that Christensen, who has been unproductive the last two seasons playing for Pittsburgh, Atlanta and Anaheim, can add some offense, but Tortorella is under no illusion here.

"You're not plucking a top six forward off the waiver wire," the coach said.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...#ixzz0Yj2SiAVS

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12-04-2009, 07:48 AM
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actually a good read from brooks, better than his last effort i must say

some nice quotes from torts

lets see how these things work out!

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So whats the 3rd line?
Avery-Drury-Cally?

4th line
Voros-Boyle-Parenteau?

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"You're not plucking a top six forward off the waiver wire," the coach said.


There we go. I'm glad Torts' intention (like many of HF's posters thought previously) isn't to expect much from him on the top lines, but rather to give him a chance. Good read. I'm both looking forward to and dreading Saturday's game haha.

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12-04-2009, 09:55 AM
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HAHAHAHAHAHA

From the waiver wire to centering the second line. That says it all.

Sather is priceless.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

From the waiver wire to centering the second line. That says it all.

Sather is priceless.
Last I checked, Torts makes the lines...

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12-04-2009, 10:00 AM
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Not that it matters...

Once Christensen fails he'll be waived too.

You may resume spiraling out of control.

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Why exactly is everyone assuming the Christensen line will be thesecond line? The line is mentioned to indicate who Christensen will be playing with. I haven't seen anything that indicates that's necessarily the second line.

And not that it matters. Our second and third lines are interchangeable--and the actual combinations change multiple times per night.

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12-04-2009, 10:24 AM
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The Christensen line is the third line. Not the second.

Also, I hate saying it because of the heat he is taking, but I like Tortorella, a lot. The guy is a good coach, and like every other fan said, we're going to hate him while he's here, but you won't realize what we're missing till he's gone. He's going to turn one of our young guns into to something special, I can feel it.

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The Christensen line is the third line. Not the second.

Also, I hate saying it because of the heat he is taking, but I like Tortorella, a lot. The guy is a good coach, and like every other fan said, we're going to hate him while he's here, but you won't realize what we're missing till he's gone. He's going to turn one of our young guns into to something special, I can feel it.
honestly, Tortorella says and does just about everything fans have been clamoring for. He has identified the teams problems and is trying to work them out, but for all the clamor about Renney being too passive, Tortorella's abrasiveness seems to rub people the wrong way.

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12-04-2009, 10:33 AM
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I'll simplify it for you:

First line: Prospal-Anisimov-Gaborik
Third line: Avery-Drury-Callahan
Third/fourth line: Higgins-Christensen-Kotalik
Fourth/barely should be in the NHL right now line: Voros-Boyle-Parenteau
Waste of cap space: Brashear

This is what happens when you don't have enough top six forwards.


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The Christensen line is the third line. Not the second.

Also, I hate saying it because of the heat he is taking, but I like Tortorella, a lot. The guy is a good coach, and like every other fan said, we're going to hate him while he's here, but you won't realize what we're missing till he's gone. He's going to turn one of our young guns into to something special, I can feel it.
I agree with both points. I read an article like this and I think that this guy is a great coach. Great coaches don't win every game and they aren't immune to slumps. I really like what he did with Kotalik, and I totally agree with his logic, if you're mad about getting less minutes, go out and prove that you need more. Everyone wants to freak out about his benching habits and discipline strategy but thats really the basis of it. If you show some passion and produce, you will have a fantastic time and he'll give you the minutes and the line mates that you want to thrive (Gaborik/Prospal). If you don't play well or you don't care, you're not going to take minutes away from other people who might play well and definitely care about being out there (Kotalik).

Anisimiov has played very well for his age and now he has a huge opportunity. If he can center this first line effectively, that puts Prospal back at wing and adds a little more depth everywhere. Honestly, I thought the first line looked best with Dubi in the center at Prospal at wing to open the season, but I think Anisimiov is going to do some serious work here, he's been very good in the limited play he's seen.

When I think of Anisimov on the first line I can't help but think what's going to happen to Drury down the road. Obivously, Dubi and Anisimov are the top two future centers of the team if all goes according to plan, and obviously noone's paying 7 million a season to their 3rd center. Its going to be...something.

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OK let's clear this thing up:

First line: Prospal-Anisimov-Gaborik
Third line: Avery-Drury-Callahan
Third/fourth line: Higgins-Christensen-Kotalik
Fourth/barely should be in the NHL right now line: Voros-Boyle-Parenteau
Waste of cap space: Brashear

This is what happens when you don't have enough top six forwards.
Prospal, Gaborik, Avery, Drury, Callahan, Kotalik, and Higgins are all very capable top 6 forwards. Not all of them are producing and infact a few playing a bit sloppy but its not like we have it bad or anything, these are players with a decent skill set and gritty too.

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I'm glad AA will be getting some ice time with the first line. I hope he really gels with Prospal and Gaborik. If he does, then we can see Dubinsky playing C2 when he's back, and if Drury can learn how to score again, him to C3. We may have a much nicer team. If Christensen does well, I'd rather him be C4 rather than Brian "I suck at faceoffs" Boyle.

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Prospal, Gaborik, Avery, Drury, Callahan, Kotalik, and Higgins are all very capable top 6 forwards. Not all of them are producing and in fact a few playing a bit sloppy but its not like we have it bad or anything, these are players with a decent skill set and gritty too.
I don't think you can consider Kotalik a top 6 forward because his play at even strength has been horrible. To me he is nothing more than a PP specialist. Prospal, Avery, Drury, Callahan and Higgins are all capable of being top 6 forwards IF they have an elite (or at least very good) playmaker on their line. By themselves they can not get it done. This is kind of stating the obvious, but we are 1 very good playmaker away from having a solid top 6...unfortunately it will be very hard to get that because Drury is making the kind of money we need to get that kind of player.

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Good god this team really needs to get its **** together.

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I really dont see how these recent moves will lead to wins. You add a guy who hasnt recorded a point in 9 games, and as i said in the other thread, christensen in his interview sounds very, very unconfident. I like the way he plays but he's just not a guy that is going to equal W's for this team. If this team does start winning it'll be because higgins, callahan, drury, and kotalik start scoring again.

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I really dont see how these recent moves will lead to wins. You add a guy who hasnt recorded a point in 9 games, and as i said in the other thread, christensen in his interview sounds very, very unconfident. I like the way he plays but he's just not a guy that is going to equal W's for this team. If this team does start winning it'll be because higgins, callahan, drury, and kotalik start scoring again.
You are correct. The only positive move is giving AA a shot at 1C. Other than that, nothing special has been done.

I've been disappointed most with Callahan this year. He's earning the title of Alternate Captain Cash. Learning from the best.

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If we lose both weekend games then it's officially panic time, if it wasn't already.
I don't care how good these two teams are, what month it is, blah blah blah...
The Rangers are dropping to the bottom of the East and they're dropping fast.
Let's see if this makes any difference at all.
I'm just glad that Anisimov is finally getting the opportunity he deserves, hopefully he can take advantage of it.

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Prospal, Gaborik, Avery, Drury, Callahan, Kotalik, and Higgins are all very capable top 6 forwards. Not all of them are producing and infact a few playing a bit sloppy but its not like we have it bad or anything, these are players with a decent skill set and gritty too.
Prospal, Gabby, and Drury I will give you.

The rest are proven lower line players, I don't see how you can say these guys are proven top six fowards, look at thier career numbers, I don't see 2nd line there.

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The Christensen line is the third line. Not the second.

Also, I hate saying it because of the heat he is taking, but I like Tortorella, a lot. The guy is a good coach, and like every other fan said, we're going to hate him while he's here, but you won't realize what we're missing till he's gone. He's going to turn one of our young guns into to something special, I can feel it.
totally agree

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Yeah, he seems like a good kid, but he seems like he has no confidence at all.

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Prospal, Gaborik, Avery, Drury, Callahan, Kotalik, and Higgins are all very capable top 6 forwards. Not all of them are producing and infact a few playing a bit sloppy but its not like we have it bad or anything, these are players with a decent skill set and gritty too.
Not producing...playing sloppy...decent skill set...gritty...you're making them all sound like third liners.

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I don't know how you expect W's without really improving the team... Johnson is an unproven he may be as bad or worse than Valliquette and Christensen can't stick on any team so.....

I guess all I am saying is don't get your hopes up.

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I really dont see how these recent moves will lead to wins. You add a guy who hasnt recorded a point in 9 games, and as i said in the other thread, christensen in his interview sounds very, very unconfident. I like the way he plays but he's just not a guy that is going to equal W's for this team. If this team does start winning it'll be because higgins, callahan, drury, and kotalik start scoring again.
It's not about Christensen scoring points or even playing well enough on his own to get us wins. It's about getting a body who will put the other players back into their respective roles where they have a better chance at succeeding.

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