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12-06-2009, 08:22 PM
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When do we change our style?

The Flyers, since they entered the league have been known as a hard ass team made up of bad ***** who kick the **** outta everyone, and this year is no exception. That having been said, the Flyers havent won a Cup in 35 years.

Is it time the Flyers lighten the load a bit and get guys who are a bit softer but have more offensive power to their game?

Because frankly, this **** isnt working anymore.

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12-06-2009, 08:26 PM
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This team makeup doesn't come even close to the 70s 80s teams...

That is the biggest misconception about this team.. We have offensively skilled guys...

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The roster doesn't need to change, the mentality does.

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12-06-2009, 08:28 PM
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The Flyers, since they entered the league have been known as a hard ass team made up of bad ***** who kick the **** outta everyone, and this year is no exception. That having been said, the Flyers havent won a Cup in 35 years.

Is it time the Flyers lighten the load a bit and get guys who are a bit softer but have more offensive power to their game?

Because frankly, this **** isnt working anymore.
Giroux, Carter,Richards, bruiere, gagne, JVR, isnt that enough high skilled offensive guys? Sorry none of tem are showing up right now, but when they are on this team is hard to beat. the foward mix is a perfect balance on this team, and if they could ever get their **** together and play as a unit, we could be looking at a winning team.


ps this team hasnt won a cup because they havent had a great goalie since bernie. pelle died young and hextall got super close. dont misconcieve this as a knock on hexy.

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12-06-2009, 08:29 PM
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This team makeup doesn't come even close to the 70s 80s teams...

That is the biggest misconception about this team.. We have offensively skilled guys...
this is a carcillo reaction thats all...



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12-06-2009, 08:29 PM
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I personally think our guys could learn from the Broad Street Bullies era. Back then all of the guys on our team wanted to win so bad, they'd kill for it.

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12-06-2009, 08:36 PM
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I personally think our guys could learn from the Broad Street Bullies era. Back then all of the guys on our team wanted to win so bad, they'd kill for it.
They beleive in eachother and had eachothers backs.

Win together today, and we walk together forever

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12-06-2009, 08:37 PM
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Probably when Snider dies. I mean that in the sense of being envisioned as a collection of roughneck players who value and utilize fighting as a primary asset to win games. That social stigma is associated with the Bullies of the 70's and still lingers on today. We have a natural habit as fans of the Flyers to blame a bad call or penalty against our team because of the colours of our sweaters and as lingering reprecussions for our style of play decades ago. Our style of play and the complete social identity of this team viewed upon by the league will change when the marquee faces of this franchise during the 70's dies off and are replaced by modernized, post-lockout players that have achieved success through stick work and skill, not fists.


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12-06-2009, 08:40 PM
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Our style has changed. We've got a whole lot of pure offensive talent compared to grit and toughness. Laviolette will hopefully be able to channel the positives of both into a high energy system that is more disciplined. If he can perfect that, this team will go places.

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12-06-2009, 08:47 PM
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12-06-2009, 08:49 PM
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I don't think the Flyers are as tough as fans and the organization like to believe. Yes, they have hard nosed players and they fight, but it feels like under Stevens they were hardly a team that was tough to play against. It seems like the Flyers are out hit more often than not these days.

As other pointed out we do have a fair amount of skill as well. The real problem has been the lack of discipline with the number of minor penalties they receive. Being at the top of the league in PIMs usually does not lead to success, the Ducks win being a rare exception.

I do wish, however, the organization and fans would let go out the bullies mentality. I do think Homer gets it for the most part, but the fans demand a certain type of player.

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12-06-2009, 08:52 PM
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I have no problem with a physical style, its aquiring people with reputations like Carcillo that screw us over. No ref is going to give us the benefit o the doubt

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12-07-2009, 05:34 AM
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You're on a roll starting threads that make absolutely no sense. First the Parent one, now this.

This roster on paper is the perfect blend of grit and offensive power. We've been a high scoring team for a few years now and much less "badass".

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12-07-2009, 06:39 AM
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Carcillo for Upshall and a 2nd?

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12-07-2009, 06:52 AM
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This team makeup doesn't come even close to the 70s 80s teams...

That is the biggest misconception about this team.. We have offensively skilled guys...
We had plenty of offensively skilled guys then too. There are as many mis-conceptions about those teams as there are with this one.

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12-07-2009, 07:11 AM
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Do you not watch this team? You seriously think we don't have enough skill guys on this team? Wow.

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12-07-2009, 07:32 AM
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Our style doesn't get you to the playoffs, it grinds teams down in a 7 game series. Win or lose, the Philadelphia Flyers will always be back the next year. Only one team wins the cup each year, meaning 29 other teams fail. There is nothing wrong with going deep into the playoffs, it is not realistic to truly believe that any single Flyers team will win the cup, until it finally happens. Fans try to believe that it is their year for glory, but there are a lot of complicated issues that arise during a long 82 game season and 16 wins in the playoffs. This year is one of the better TEAMS we have seen in a long time with the additions of Pronger, Lapperiere and Betts poised to help us in the playoffs more than the regular season. Homer thought he had the squad returning to get to the playoffs, while the additions would reap dividends come playoff time. We need our best players to be the best players on the ice night in and night out.

This team is not lacking any offensive talent, just the execution at even strength, powerplay and penalty kill. We are watching an entire team slump at the same time. A team doesn't get 40 shots per night over 4 games and only get 2 goals and not be in slump territory.

Like it or not, the "broad street bullies" era is passing (it has been 30 years). Be proud of the past, but look forward into the future of this team and realize we have the skill, talent, and drive to be Champions once more. The identity of the Philadelphia Flyers is a team that will win at all costs every single year. We truly have an amazing owner that shovels money (the power behind any franchise or entertainment business) into the team and truly cares about its success. Would you rather we lose that identity also and be bottom feeders year after year like Atlanta (although they look legit this year) or go through horrible playoff droughts like New York Islanders, Pittsburgh and Washington (for 3 years), or even Colorado of late. I don't anticipate a fire sale that will lead to bottom feeding because Flyers fans will always show up, we will be fine.

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12-07-2009, 10:11 AM
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We have enough skill on our team to play any style. Iíve always admired Detroit and Colorado in 90s. North South and East West puck possession and passing is something I would love to see. I could never understand dump and chase and I am not saying that we are dump and chase type of team but to me it seems like we over doing it with current roster. Dump and chase can get you in playoffs but will not win you the cup.

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People, this team will make the playoffs, lets be happy the slup happened this early, and we all prtedicted it would happen ,and Stevens would get fired for it. Remember ****sburgh made a coaching change in a bigger hole and lifted lord stanlys cup last year, it can be done. this team has 4 lines that can wear you out in 4 different ways, and can score to boot. they have 7 defensemen I am confident in. They have 2 goalies that have gone deep in the playoffs before. Yes Emery isnt playing well and Boucher is Boucher, but I think one of those guys can play well enough to do it. Once the team tightens up and Lavi gets a few more practices this team will be fine. They have high powered weapons in every aspect of the game, how can someone say this roster needs to be turned over. The team is fast agile, and lethal offensivley, at the same time tough gritty, and hard working, with a mix of nasty mean defensmen, and defensmen that can move the puck and join the rush. Goaltending is the weak link, and that isnt even as bad as its been in the past. This might be the best line up a GM has given this city in a long time, and it changes yet keeps the identety of the Flyers intact. Its only December 7, season ends in april, the flyers will rebound and be fine.

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People, this team will make the playoffs, lets be happy the slup happened this early, and we all prtedicted it would happen ,and Stevens would get fired for it. Remember ****sburgh made a coaching change in a bigger hole and lifted lord stanlys cup last year, it can be done. this team has 4 lines that can wear you out in 4 different ways, and can score to boot. they have 7 defensemen I am confident in. They have 2 goalies that have gone deep in the playoffs before. Yes Emery isnt playing well and Boucher is Boucher, but I think one of those guys can play well enough to do it. Once the team tightens up and Lavi gets a few more practices this team will be fine. They have high powered weapons in every aspect of the game, how can someone say this roster needs to be turned over. The team is fast agile, and lethal offensivley, at the same time tough gritty, and hard working, with a mix of nasty mean defensmen, and defensmen that can move the puck and join the rush. Goaltending is the weak link, and that isnt even as bad as its been in the past. This might be the best line up a GM has given this city in a long time, and it changes yet keeps the identety of the Flyers intact. Its only December 7, season ends in april, the flyers will rebound and be fine.
also this.

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12-07-2009, 11:15 AM
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And we have a key piece of that on this team

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People whined and moaned after the playoffs saying this team is "too soft" and all that so, they get Carcillo, Lappy, Pronger, OKT, Betts, players who play hard and are gritty. Now people are complaining (although its coming from Pika, which doesnt suprise me) this team is too "bully like" and "aggressive" Be careful what you wish for people......

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