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12-06-2009, 12:16 AM
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Is Nabby the problem ???

After watching tonight's game and the soft goal Nabby gave up to Jokinen made me wonder whether Nabby is truly good enough to take us to the Finals.

To wit...he's been outplayed in each of the Sharks last five playoff series (using save percentage as the metric) and has had a save percentage under 90% in three of those:

08-09: Nabby .885 - Hiller .957, Sharks lose 4-2
07-08: Nabby .895 - Kipper .917, Sharks win 4-3
07-08: Nabby .913 - Turco .941, Sharks lose 4-2
06-07: Nabby .896 - Vokoun .902, Sharks win 4-1
06-07: Nabby .932 - Osgood .940, Sharks lose 4-2

In total that's one series above .915 (the approximate league average over that time)for Nabby, four series above .915 for opposing goalies. In fact, you have to go back to the 2nd round series against Colorado in 03-04 to find a series in which Nabby outplayed the opposing goalie, and even then he was outplayed by Kipper in the Conference Finals.

As much as I don't like to think it, there's a part of me wondering if we will ever be successful in the playoffs with Nabby between the pipes.

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12-06-2009, 12:19 AM
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I don't understand why Sharks fans are always so negative toward their goaltending. You have a great starter and a young back-up with loads of potential. He definately has what it takes to take the Sharks deep in the playoffs, you just can't be playing him 65+ games in the regular season. He needs to be rested so that he can be at 100% for the playoffs. Give a few more games to Greiss as the year progresses and give Nabby some rest. If you do that I think you will see the finals.

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12-06-2009, 12:21 AM
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I don't really trust him in the P/O's but he's not the only reason we suck in the playoffs

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12-06-2009, 12:33 AM
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Didn't the shot ramp off of Nichol's stick?

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Didn't the shot ramp off of Nichol's stick?
Thats what drew said but no camra angles showed

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12-06-2009, 12:47 AM
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Nabokov is amazing, I can't see how he could be a problem for us. He's one of the best in the league and has been for a while.

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12-06-2009, 12:52 AM
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After watching tonight's game and the soft goal Nabby gave up to Jokinen made me wonder whether Nabby is truly good enough to take us to the Finals.

To wit...he's been outplayed in each of the Sharks last five playoff series (using save percentage as the metric) and has had a save percentage under 90% in three of those:

08-09: Nabby .885 - Hiller .957, Sharks lose 4-2
07-08: Nabby .895 - Kipper .917, Sharks win 4-3
07-08: Nabby .913 - Turco .941, Sharks lose 4-2
06-07: Nabby .896 - Vokoun .902, Sharks win 4-1
06-07: Nabby .932 - Osgood .940, Sharks lose 4-2

In total that's one series above .915 (the approximate league average over that time)for Nabby, four series above .915 for opposing goalies. In fact, you have to go back to the 2nd round series against Colorado in 03-04 to find a series in which Nabby outplayed the opposing goalie, and even then he was outplayed by Kipper in the Conference Finals.

As much as I don't like to think it, there's a part of me wondering if we will ever be successful in the playoffs with Nabby between the pipes.
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Nabby is the one of the main reasons the Sharks have gotten off to such a good start this year.

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12-06-2009, 12:55 AM
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i think dan marouelli not leaving san jose is the problem.

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12-06-2009, 01:03 AM
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This thread pisses me off.

Grass is always greener. Nabby is the best home grown talent the Shark's have ever produced. Yes, even counting Marleau, my favorite player.

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No, he is not the problem. And to the part of you that's wondering if we'll ever be successful in the playoffs with him in net, why doesn't 2004 count? We were 2 wins from the Stanley Cup Finals with him in goal, and may have won the cup had Sturm not gone down.

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12-06-2009, 01:23 AM
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This year, not even close.

Our problem is our defense, and its going to be much more of a problem if we don't get a top 4 to take pressure off Boyle. We are so screwed if we get to the playoffs and Boyle played 82 games at 26:44 per.

We have an elite goalie (though maybe this will be his last year at this level; he may still have 5 years at this level, but at his age, it could very well be the downside), and 11 of of our 12 forwards are guys I'd be perfectly fine going to the playoffs with (with Shelly/McLaren/Ferrerio/Vesce/Staubitz being the only one worth upgrading).

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hahaha wow. Nabby was great tonight. One soft goal, but the rest of the game he was on point bit time.

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That stats that stand out to me are .957, .941 and .940. Nabby would have needed to be near perfect vs those numbers. When the opposing goalie can author a save% of that degree, well, there's a scoring issue. For example, losing an elimination game 2-0 (ugh).

I believe Nabokov is fully capable of backstopping this team to a Cup. I also believe over a 7gm series, this offense can overcome a 'hot goalie'. But as matt trick made note of, the defense needs a bit more shoring up. The rest is health and a bit of luck.

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Why are we already talking about the playoffs? The loosing goaltender would obviously have a lower save percentage; it only makes sense. The team loses, not the goalie individually.


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There's nothing wrong with Nabby, he has his ups and downs just like every other elite goaltender in the NHL, he's going to be our #1 goalie for a long time, no dobt about it.

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After watching tonight's game...
...there's a part of me wondering if we will ever be successful in the playoffs with Nabby between the pipes.
It's the regular season, not the playoffs.

It's one game of the regular season. I fail to see where there's a suitable comparative.

And of course, San Jose is currently top of the NHL in the regular season.

This thread is absurd...

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mfw13 asks a question. mfw13 defines himself with that question.

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This thread is absurd...
I agree. I guess everyone' entitled to their opinion, even if it's a sorta crazy one like this, lol.

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I wouldn't say the Sharks can't win with an average goaltender, but I agree with you he's been the biggest problem. I don't know what the hysteria's about in this thread.

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The team lost because they couldn't score enough goals, not because of Nabby being unable to stop them

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12-06-2009, 04:20 AM
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I wouldn't say the Sharks can't win with an average goaltender, but I agree with you he's been the biggest problem. I don't know what the hysteria's about in this thread.
You truly think Nabby is the problem?
SV% .923 GAA 2.32 looks good to me
Plus, 2nd in the league in games played, 3rd in wins, 2nd in saves.
Where is there a valid argument for him being an issue for us?

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The team lost because they couldn't score enough goals, not because of Nabby being unable to stop them
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The team lost because they couldn't score enough goals, not because of Nabby being unable to stop them
Isn't that the reason every time the Sharks fail in big games?

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Red Wings have won it all with Osbad.

Nabokov is not the problem.

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