Because I have no interest in getting an overhyped vet. He had 1 good year. 1 year when he scored 26 goals. Awesome thats great but I rather have some one younger who actually is a first liner. Think what you want buddy. This is the internet Im not about to get into an "e war". You have your opinion, I have mine. Leave it at that.
This is a discussion forum where you are encouraged to share your opinions. But you still should try to back them up. The reason you post here is, presumably, because you want to share you opinions with other people. If you want those other people to take you seriously, it would be best if you explained the logic behind your opinions rather than building up straw men and getting defensive.
Anyway, Ruutu is as good a player as you could expect to be available. As mentioned, he is only 26, and thus younger than most of the names being bandied about here. He's been injury prone, so he's a risk, but when he's healthy, he's as good as any forward the Coyotes have. I don't know where you get the "overhyped vet" idea.
Overhyped in the fact that he IS injury prone. He is a risk and although he can/could be the Yotes best forward, nothing is for sure. Sorry I just rather get someone that has more consistent stats and can stay healthy. Or just keep the draft pick, which I am all for doing.
Oh and another thing I forgot to throw in there...Ruutu is supposed to make 3 mil this year, 4 mil in 2010/11, and 4.5 mil in 2011/12. Do you think we would have enough money to resign the likes of Michalek, Mueller, Lombardi, Upshall plus more? If we do sign all those players will we have enough money to sign a decent free agent this off season? All of this has to be considered. Your not just getting a injury prone goal scorer but a guy that is making as much as Doan.
I personally don't think Rutherford is much interested in moving Ruutu unless it's a significant overpayment. He's considered a core part of the Canes moving forward, which is why he was signed to a multi-year deal with salary increases. From watching him, I don't think he's worth the gamble of overpaying for.
What about Antti Miettinen from the Wild. Played for Tippett, worked well in his system, Tippett likes him and the Wild have an uphill battle to make the playoffs. He's signed through next season with a cap hit of $2.5 and might be worth acquiring for secondary scoring without giving up too much. Doesn't solve the key problem of a top flight scoring winger...
Ruutu would be great. Think a bigger Upshall. He had lots of injury problems in his early years in Chicago, it might of slowed down his development. He still has that upside.
Ruutu would be great. Think a bigger Upshall. He had lots of injury problems in his early years in Chicago, it might of slowed down his development. He still has that upside.
I agree. I think he could be a real Tippett player too. He is a strong guy that likes to bang and has good hands. He hasn't lived up to his draft hype, but he is still a real good player. If he is coach-able at all -- and I haven't heard anything to the contrary -- he'd fit nicely in Phoenix. I like him a lot more than most of the names being tossed around.
Yeah I'd be willing to do the Calgary pick for him, probably more. He's probably good for 25-25-50 with a bit of a higher upside. He's a guy even when he's not scoring, he still impacts the game. Well worth the pick, and we all know Maloney likes his Finns.
- Ray Whitney
- Tuomo Ruutu
- Chad Larose
- Trent Hunter
- Marek Svatos
- Andrew Cogliano
- Andrew Brunette
- Antti Miettinen
- Cal Clutterbuck
- Alex Steen
- Darren Helm
- Justin Abdelkader
- Blake Comeau
- Matt Stajan
Obviously some of these players have more of what the Coyotes are in need of which is offense while I see some as just being a terrific fit for their style of play. The likes of Clutterbuck Helm, Abdelkader and Comeau have loads of untapped potential that could be reached with increased minutes on a different team.
Some assets I'd be willing to part with are ...
- Nick Ross
- Jonas Ahnelov
- Chad Kolarik
- Jared Staal
Peter Mueller and possibly one of the 2 1st rounders for this year's draft. I would only trade the 1st rounder if it helps the team immediately as well as down the road.
I would consider the following trades ...
To Minnesota - Mueller, Kolarik and Ross
To Phoenix - Brunette and Clutterbuck
or
To Carolina - Mueller, Staal and Calgary's 1st rounder ( Canes make Eric Happy with addition of his youngest brother)
To Phoenix - Whitney and Ruutu (I'd probably even do it for Whitney and Larose)
or
To Detroit - Mueller and Calgary's 1st rounder
To Phoenix - Helm and Abdelkader
Scary to think about Mueller playing on the wing with Datsyuk or Zetterberg but I love the way Helm and Abdelkader play. Dave Tippet would love those guys and maybe they reach their untapped potential.
Flame away!!!! Bottom line is, Mueller needs to pick it up or he will find his way out of Phoenix. Perhaps what he really needs is to be playing with a top flight center like an Eric Staal or a Pavel Datsyuk.
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You sure do under value first round picks. Not in a million years would I trade a first rounder for any of those guys. Kariya is overpaid, Selanne is a pipeline and all the rest arent first round pick worthy. Hagman I like but not a first! Only guy I'd go after with a first is PLE-KAN-EC.
You sure do have strong opinions, nevertheless they are still 1 person's opinion.
I do agree that I might be under-valuing the 2 Coyote first round picks, but IMO you under-value the importance of the Coyotes making the playoffs this season. I read in another thread that you don't believe the Coyotes will maintain their play this season and will not make the playoffs, so that adds 'some' weight to your opinion of the Coyote first round draft pick, but what about the Flames first round draft pick? Maybe in a 1000 years you'd be willing to trade the Flames first round pick for one of the players I mentioned? Or do you think the Flames will fall out of the playoff picture? In any event, if you don't think the Coyotes will make the playoffs, and you aren't willing to take a bit of a gamble to acquire a player who might help them make the playoffs, then our biggest difference of opinion is how important it is for the Yotes to make the playoffs this season. I can accept that as much as I disagree with you.
Is a team limited to 50 players on their respective reserve list?
I see on capgeek where a number of teams have exceeded the limit but there are enough sliding contracts to bring these teams under the 50 player threshold.
The reason for question relates to any potential deals the team might look at. With only 1 open spot the team can't add too many bodies (read: 1) if this is indeed a "hard" limit.
Matt Jones and probably Joel Perrault will open up spots at the end of the season but are there any alternatives prior to end of season?
Speaking of Matt Jones - has anyone heard anything regarding his playing status? IIRC he had a concussion issue and that's the last I've heard.
Is a team limited to 50 players on their respective reserve list?
I see on capgeek where a number of teams have exceeded the limit but there are enough sliding contracts to bring these teams under the 50 player threshold.
The reason for question relates to any potential deals the team might look at. With only 1 open spot the team can't add too many bodies (read: 1) if this is indeed a "hard" limit.
Matt Jones and probably Joel Perrault will open up spots at the end of the season but are there any alternatives prior to end of season?
Yes it is a hard limit. The only exception are the 18/19 year old players that were returned to Juniors before they played 11 NHL games that season. The Yotes have no players under that category.
If the Yotes needed to free up a slot for a trade you'd probably see some cheap AHL 2-way UFA thrown in like Hollweg or Lessard.
btw, teams can have up to 90 players on their reserve list, however only 50 players under contract. All the unsigned draftees are on the reserve list also.
Trollers from other team's boards simply do not understand that the Coyotes are dealing from a position of strength. They have a playoff calibre team, prospects on the way and are just above the salary cap floor. They also have a couple of extra draft picks in coming years. Half of the deals proposed here have Phoenix taking back salary cap issues from other teams or badly overpaying for rental players. One I haven't seen that would make a lot of sense to me (as a rental) is if St. Louis decides to pack it in this year, how about Keith Tkaczuk?
Trollers from other team's boards simply do not understand that the Coyotes are dealing from a position of strength. They have a playoff calibre team, prospects on the way and are just above the salary cap floor. They also have a couple of extra draft picks in coming years. Half of the deals proposed here have Phoenix taking back salary cap issues from other teams or badly overpaying for rental players. One I haven't seen that would make a lot of sense to me (as a rental) is if St. Louis decides to pack it in this year, how about Keith Tkaczuk?
I'd take him back if he's willing to finish his career here and not leave after the season is over. Posted via Mobile Device
You sure do have strong opinions, nevertheless they are still 1 person's opinion.
I do agree that I might be under-valuing the 2 Coyote first round picks, but IMO you under-value the importance of the Coyotes making the playoffs this season. I read in another thread that you don't believe the Coyotes will maintain their play this season and will not make the playoffs, so that adds 'some' weight to your opinion of the Coyote first round draft pick, but what about the Flames first round draft pick? Maybe in a 1000 years you'd be willing to trade the Flames first round pick for one of the players I mentioned? Or do you think the Flames will fall out of the playoff picture? In any event, if you don't think the Coyotes will make the playoffs, and you aren't willing to take a bit of a gamble to acquire a player who might help them make the playoffs, then our biggest difference of opinion is how important it is for the Yotes to make the playoffs this season. I can accept that as much as I disagree with you.
WRONG. I said its not likely they keep playing the way they do, i.e. they wont finish 4th in the conference. I agree we need to make the playoffs and were well on our way but we shouldn't be trading for guys that arent immediate impacts. Ruutu is a solid player but do you think he could be the winger? I want to hang onto Muells as he just scored his first in awhile. And for god's sake who in the H would want Marek Svatos? That guy is next to nothing WORTHLESS. Miettinen and Brunette I dont think will be making this team a playoff contender. Plus those two guys are Koivu's linemates last time I checked and have really good chemistry. Not happenin. Nor do I want it to happen. The point I'm trying to get across is that we cant overpay with this franchise. We need to get a fair trade that benefits us.
WRONG. I said its not likely they keep playing the way they do, i.e. they wont finish 4th in the conference. I agree we need to make the playoffs and were well on our way but we shouldn't be trading for guys that arent immediate impacts.
This is for you but not only for you, the Coyotes are now 6th in the conference and only 5 points up on 9th. The 9th place team (Red Wings) have 2 games in hand. The Coyotes pretty much need to keep playing at exactly the same pace they have been for the rest of the year to make the playoffs. They haven't built up a buffer that they can ride for the rest of the year.
Now that I've made a point that didn't likely need to be made I'll go back into hibernation.
I against overpaying and making a move for the sake of making a move but we need a scorer and quick. This team is slowing losing more and more and the west is redicously close. Time to make a move to shake things up. Im not for moving Mueller or really any high draft pick lol. Wonder what we can get
Ok thought of something real quick so dont flame it to death. So....
To CHI
CGY 1st round pick
To PHX
Versteeg
Ok CHI is really looking to get rid of Versteeg because they need cap space. Whether or not they do it now or after the season. (their going for the cup)
To MTL
Plekanec
To PHX
Mueller
3rd Round pick
To CAR
Tikhonov
2nd Round Pick
To PHX
Ruutu
Once again this wasnt meant to include the cap and all the other factors. If you think you can do better post something. Flaming it does nothing.
I'd be all over that. You never know what a team's scouting staff thinks of prospects, but I don't think it is likely Tikhonov will end up better than Ruutu is now and Ruutu may still get better himself.
Somehow I doubt the 'Canes would be interested though. Carolina will likely be looking to sell, but I doubt Ruutu is one of the guys they want to give up on since he may yet be part of their rebuild.
Ya know I dont really know what to make of Tik. The way that this team has developed prospects, makes me think he wont pan out. I also really dont want to get rid of Mueller as I think he can be good as he looked pretty good out there tonight. Plekanec though, hes a top line center. I'd take Mueller for Plek + any pick not a first.
If Dallas is out of the running by the deadline and ownership, be it the NHL or Ice Edge, gives Don Maloney the greenlight to acquire Brad Richards, what would it take to acquire him?
He's signed through next season at $7.8 million per and is an offensive stud. He's got a Conn Smythe to his name, so he'd be an asset in the playoffs, and his playing style would likely complement Peter Mueller and help him get going.
Another player I'd be willing to trade one of our first round picks for:
Cory Stillman from the Panthers who just lost their leading scorer for 4-6 weeks, and while only a few points out of 8th, are competing with 3 other teams for that 8th spot.
Another thought about Souray, based on the assumption that Sauer is not coming back this season.
What about trading a first-round pick for Souray if the Coyotes think they could deal him in the offseason for a 2nd round pick from someone....essentially have him for the playoff push & postseason in exchange for trading a low first round pick for a 2nd round pick?
Regardless of how well our defense has played and where he would slot into the Coyote defensemen pairings, he's a legit top-4 dman. And one who fits the postseason type of hockey. It would be nice to have the option to choose between Souray, Vandermeer, and Lepisto for the 5-6 dman spots, and if the Coyotes do make the playoffs, it would be good insurance in the event of an injury.
you'd be willing to trade the Flames first round pick for one of the players I mentioned? Or do you think the Flames will fall out of the playoff picture? In any event, if you don't think the Coyotes will make the playoffs, and you aren't willing to take a bit of a gamble to acquire a player who might help them make the playoffs, then our biggest difference of opinion is how important it is for the Yotes to make the playoffs this season. I can accept that as much as I disagree with you.
