I don't think hes a bad player just that we got guys to resign someones gotta go next year and I believe pelech or negrin are somewhat ready to take a 5-6 role.
I don't think hes a bad player just that we got guys to resign someones gotta go next year and I believe pelech or negrin are somewhat ready to take a 5-6 role.
that explains why Pelech looks like crap in the AHL this year eh?
I'm guessing injury reasons and decline in play as he gets older. He has an average contract (what we pay him, for what we get) now, and when he starts to play worse as he gets older naturally, the contract could turn bad. But his contract only takes him to 34, so he should be worth that 3.6M until its over.
Seriously? How many times has this myth to be spoiled? I know that hfboards was lamenting, how bad of a signing the Sarich contract was, but just look around and compare his contract to the ones of other defenders and you'll realize that Sarich's contract is actually above average (preemptive warning: no, rookie contracts like the Myers' and Doughty' ones don't count).
Oh yeah, Cammalleri is 27 years old and Jokinen is 31 years old.
I lost all respect for Cammy when he sucker-punched Havlat in the playoffs last year. I think he is a good player, but I'm glad he's gone and he's too small for the NW division. Jokinen played GREAT in last years playoffs. I think he was one of the best Flames on the ice.
Last edited by Skyguard: 12-11-2009 at 10:10 PM.
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I didn't like Havlat before that, but I thought Havlat could have been a whiny ***** about it and he wasn't. He was a man about it. I gained respect for him and lost respect for Cammy over that incident.
I didn't like Havlat before that, but I thought Havlat could have been a whiny ***** about it and he wasn't. He was a man about it. I gained respect for him and lost respect for Cammy over that incident.
Come to think of it, I don't like many of the Ottawa draftees, Alfredsson, Hossa (does anyone like the guy anymore?) Havlat, Spezza ect.
pelech prob will make the team next year. hes have a good year in the ahl actually if you've ever seen a heat game ud know why his stats arnt that good we got Jason jaffrey? as a big offensive output guy and backlund was only getting 2nd line to 3rd line duties and 1st pp but he really doesn't have much to pass to.
hossa is a bum he just plays for the cash everyone knows it. once he turned down that Pittsburgh deal and went right to Detroit i lost all respect for him.
pelech prob will make the team next year. hes have a good year in the ahl actually if you've ever seen a heat game ud know why his stats arnt that good we got Jason jaffrey? as a big offensive output guy and backlund was only getting 2nd line to 3rd line duties and 1st pp but he really doesn't have much to pass to.
hossa is a bum he just plays for the cash everyone knows it. once he turned down that Pittsburgh deal and went right to Detroit i lost all respect for him.
i really hope English is your second language or you really need to go back to school... and as for Pelech it looks like he has picked it up since I last looked him up... he was one of the Heat's worst defensemen in +/- a month ago when the team was 2nd in goals in the AHL... and using Jaffray as an example for why he looks lik he is struggling is nothing short of you beeing an idiot.. you are aware that the Heat are 4th in the AHL in goals for right?... their problem is they are 4th worst in goals against too
i really hope English is your second language or you really need to go back to school... and as for Pelech it looks like he has picked it up since I last looked him up... he was one of the Heat's worst defensemen in +/- a month ago when the team was 2nd in goals in the AHL... and using Jaffray as an example for why he looks lik he is struggling is nothing short of you beeing an idiot.. you are aware that the Heat are 4th in the AHL in goals for right?... their problem is they are 4th worst in goals against too
I've got no respect for Havlat so a sucker punch doesn't matter to me. The way Havlat is with his stick, I'm not surprised. The best moment of my life came when he got knocked the F out in the playoffs last year. He and Mike Ribiero should start a reality television show.
Cammellari btw, another couple points tonight. What's Jokinen been up to? Seriously, cause he's not on the score sheet. Did Calgary waive him? Cause they should.
Not too many people understand dressing room politics. Jokinen in the Calgary room is probably not as bad as Phaneuf the superstar-ooh-look-at-me-and-my-beautiful-hair, but its still bad. Jokinen is like Pronger in Philly, well okay, about half that bad.
Jokinen in the Calgary room is probably not as bad as Phaneuf the superstar-ooh-look-at-me-and-my-beautiful-hair, but its still bad. Jokinen is like Pronger in Philly, well okay, about half that bad.
You're in the Flames dressing room often, are you?
pelech prob will make the team next year. hes have a good year in the ahl actually if you've ever seen a heat game ud know why his stats arnt that good we got Jason jaffrey? as a big offensive output guy and backlund was only getting 2nd line to 3rd line duties and 1st pp but he really doesn't have much to pass to.
hossa is a bum he just plays for the cash everyone knows it. once he turned down that Pittsburgh deal and went right to Detroit i lost all respect for him.
Whats with the hate? He doesn't play for cash otherwise he would've taken the Penguins 9+ million deal to keep him there for 10 years.
Hossa is one of the best two way forwards in the game. He plays to win the ultimate objective, which is the stanley cup, which is directly opposite of the player you say he is.
He had no reason to stay in Pittsburgh, they had him for 12 games in the regular season, not even a full season. The fact that he turned down 9 million for a 7 million contract to play for a team he thought had a better chance to win the cup speaks volumes about his goals. Not to mention he was playing with a busted shoulder in the playoffs with the Wings.
I would trade almost anybody on this team for him right now, barring the obvious guys of course.
Where do you get off saying he is disloyal? I'm a Red Wings fan and I don't even question his character.
Hossa went to the cup with Pittsburgh and then goes to another team when they offer him less money...
He sold out. No respect for him.
How is that selling out?He played a grand total of 32 games for them including playoffs. Pittsburgh offered him 7 million over 5 years so 35 million. Detroit offered him 7.45 for one year. Edmonton offered 9 million on a multi-year. The NHL is all business remember, they generate revenue off the backs of players so really, nobody owes anyone anything at all.
He accepted LESS money (7.45 vs 35?) to goto Detroit so that he could get the chance to win the cup with the team he believed had the better chance to repeat.
You realize that in order to call someone a mercenary or selling out that it means they are going to a team based on the money offer on the table.
3 other players from Detroit have since left the team last year, Mikael Samuelsson, Tomas Kopecky,and Jiri Hudler.
Are all 3 of them sell outs? They left after being defeated in the finals
Howabout Ryan Malone and Gary Roberts? Are they sellouts? They played longer with the Penguins and didn't stay after being defeated did they?
The point is, the Stanley Cup is the most important thing to most NHLers, it is their dream and goal to reach that point of their career. Hossa should be applauded for turning down the 9 million offered by Pittsburgh and looking to try and win a championship at a discount rate. The guy obviously didn't care about money that much if he went for the lower pay.
Also regardless of character, Hossa is one of the better two way snipers in the league. I don't think you would reject having him on the team at the end of the day when the guy can score 40 goals and get 100 points.
Slovaks arnt winners, i cant find a Slovak in the nhl that has won a cup. Russians aswell besides malkin, gonchar and kovalev. none have helped there team win a cup.
There not from here, they didnt grow up watching the nhl they watched tretiak and the ussr play and probably had a big hate for north america.
Do you realize how ridiculous you sound in that post? For starters, you don't even know what selling out means.
There aren't many Slovaks in the league, but because you can't think of one in the league that has won a cup, they're not winners? I don't believe he's playing in the NHL this year, but Miroslav Satan won a Cup with Pittsburgh last year. And Pavel Datsyuk has the Cup rings in Detroit. And while he may have declined, any Flames can will remember how big Nikolai Khabibulin was in Tampa Bay's Cup win in '04.
Also, anyone who can say with a straight face that they wouldn't want a player as talented as Marian Hossa on their team needs to give their head a shake.
Also, anyone who can say with a straight face that they wouldn't want a player as talented as Marian Hossa on their team needs to give their head a shake.
True. The goal of any player in the NHL should be to win. Winning first involves winning a single game. Once that happens, the next goal would be to get into the playoffs, win a division maybe, then to win the conference. Finally, winning playoff series' and leading to winning the Stanley Cup. I never really saw Hossa as a sell-out. He signed with teams that he saw as having a chance to win. For that, he deserves credit. Not to mention he's now signed long-term in Chicago.
There are two factors at play as well. The teams he played for did not have to sign him. They chose to; they made a conscious decision to add him to their team. The teams did not have to offer him short-term deals. They chose to; they made a conscious decision to sign him to short-term deals.
Streaking Red: I'm ALWAYS in the room.
Naw. But when you keep reading or hearing reports from analysts and what not that say Jokinen is not a good dressing room personality, you kinda have to start listening. I could see if it was one or two guys complaining but it happened in Florida amongst many different players, and Keenan liked him (should be a red flag right there).
There are also rumours about other guys as well, such as Phil Kessel being a negative guy in the room. Don't know and can't say for sure because its only one thing I've heard.
However, look at Chris Pronger, great player, but apparently causing rifts in the Flyers room. Who to believe?
Naw. But when you keep reading or hearing reports from analysts and what not that say Jokinen is not a good dressing room personality, you kinda have to start listening. I could see if it was one or two guys complaining but it happened in Florida amongst many different players, and Keenan liked him (should be a red flag right there).
The only person I've heard say anything about Jokinen not being a good dressing room guy was Matthew Barnaby on the TSN panel. Not long after that, I read an article on a few of his former teammates (Shane Doan, and a few others, can't remember who it was now) in Phoenix who said he was a great guy in the room and those rumours were false. If he was a problem in the Flames room, I think it's something that would be dealt with immediately. I've never heard anything about that coming from Florida, and Keenan liking him doesn't mean anything. Keenan liked Joe Thornton and Jeremy Roenick too, and I've never heard anything about them being dressing room cancers.
As far as the rumours of Phaneuf being a negative in the room, I'll start to listen when I hear it come from a credible source. Credible source means not Eklund, not Eric Francis, not some idiot who went to high school with Phaneuf, and not some other team's beat writer who only heard about it second hand and wasn't even there himself.
Hossa hating? I agree. I have no respect for the guy and hope he never wins a cup, not only because he will play for Chicago when he does that. Don't reply to my post and get mad at me for this, but I just don't like Hossa.
Naw. But when you keep reading or hearing reports from analysts and what not that say Jokinen is not a good dressing room personality, you kinda have to start listening. I could see if it was one or two guys complaining but it happened in Florida amongst many different players, and Keenan liked him (should be a red flag right there).
that moron matthew Barnaby kept running his mouth about it at the deadline last year... despite it being refuted by Duane Sutter, Mike Keenan, Darren Pang and Daniel Carcillo... believe me if it was true and ther ewas issues in the room with Jokinen we would have known before trading for him... Duane Sutter was with the Panthers for a long time... McLennan had been with the Panthers for a bit... Keenan had been the Caoch and GM there... Kiprusoff knew him from international competition... there was more than enough people exposed to Jokinen to know whether or not he was a cancer or not
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