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12-09-2009, 11:54 AM
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Eklund: Oilers and Rangers talk Heats Up

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More to come, as I am in meetings. The key name for the Rangers continues to be Cogliano. The Oilers love Dubinsky. The Sens are also continuing to inquire about Dubinsky as well.

Much more to come.

Link: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...0&blogger_id=1


For the record, I think Eklund is completely full of feces -- but I don't think I'd mind a Cogs/Dubi swap IF it were to happen.

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Discuss the deal, not the source folks.

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I still don't buy it. Cogliano is definitely not what the Rangers need. He's the 2nd coming of Matt Cullen.

Now, if you want to talk Gagner, I'm all ears.

I also don't think Dubinsky's stock has dropped so much in Sather's eyes that he goes from not shipping him off for Heatley, to sending him in a deal for Cogliano.

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Whats the point of that move exactly?

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what if the trade was Dubinsky + Higgins for Cogliano + osullivan?

the Rangers get some scoring help while dumping Higgins. The Oilers get bigger which is what we need. The Rangers also get almost 1 mill in cap space to allow for a deadline move. 1 mill at the deadline gets you a 4-5 mill per year player.

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Add Zack Stortini to the deal and i am up for it

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what if the trade was Dubinsky + Higgins for Cogliano + osullivan?

the Rangers get some scoring help while dumping Higgins. The Oilers get bigger which is what we need. The Rangers also get almost 1 mill in cap space to allow for a deadline move. 1 mill at the deadline gets you a 4-5 mill per year player.
That's a move I'd actually consider, but the Rangers don't really need to get smaller, either.

I like O'Sully though. Nice to see his game picking back up.

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I don't think that swapping Dubinsky for Cogliano really does anything significant. Its a very lateral move if anything. Getting someone like O'Sullivan would certainly add speed and offensive talent to the team but his size leaves much to be desired.

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I don't want to give up on Higgy just yet - he's clearly snakebitten, but he's good defensively and gets open. Hopefully, the goals will come. 29 games, or whatever, isn't enough to dump him.

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I don't think that swapping Dubinsky for Cogliano really does anything significant. Its a very lateral move if anything. Getting someone like O'Sullivan would certainly add speed and offensive talent to the team but his size leaves much to be desired.
Wasn't there some positive feedback amongst Yotes fans regarding a Cogliano for Mueller move?

Turning Dubi and Higgins into a net gain of O'Sullivan and Mueller might not be so bad.

O'Sullivan / Avery - Prospal - Gaborik
Avery / O'Sully - Anisimov - Mueller
PAP - Drury - Callahan
Kotalik - Christensen - Boyle

On paper, it looks a bit more potent offensively. Obviously that doesn't always mean it will be, but I like the upside of the two players.

Then, in theory, next year Grachev steps in and we have:

O'Sully - Prospal - Gabby
Grachev - AA - Mueller
Avery - Drury - Callahan
Kotalik - Christensen/Boyle/Voros/Brash/Byers/Weise

I dunno, I kinda like it.

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higgins gets 1,000 chances a night and doesnt finish.

he did the same in montreal... why do we/did we think he'd be any different in NY?

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Dubi for Cogliano is a bit of a lateral move, but honestly, you cant expect more than that at this point in the season. Our chance to get Heatley came and went.

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I still don't buy it. Cogliano is definitely not what the Rangers need. He's the 2nd coming of Matt Cullen.

Now, if you want to talk Gagner, I'm all ears.

I also don't think Dubinsky's stock has dropped so much in Sather's eyes that he goes from not shipping him off for Heatley, to sending him in a deal for Cogliano.
Brandon Dubinsky is just about the second coming of Cullen, statistically speaking.

I think both of their ceilings are pretty much on par (Dubi/Cogliano).

So, i agree, it's not a deal i'd make. It's lateral. And you lose size down the middle.

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Cogliano has 8 points in 30 games and is 5'10"

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Cogliano has 8 points in 30 games and is 5'10"
Yea, but he scored 18 goals back to back seasons as a 21 and 22 year old.

He has talent.

It's still a lateral move that doesn't help much.

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Yea, but he scored 18 goals back to back seasons as a 21 and 22 year old.

He has talent.

It's still a lateral move that doesn't help much.
Based off of what? I saw him his whole career in Michigan and I said that he was a 3rd liner then and he's looking more and more like a 3rd liner every day he plays a game.

He has hands of stone. I don't even think he'll ever be as good as Matt Cullen was in his prime.

Cogliano is not very good at all in terms of offense. He's fast and has good two-way instincts. He's basically Chris Higgins but younger.

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why would we get rid of dubinsky??????

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Based off of what? I saw him his whole career in Michigan and I said that he was a 3rd liner then and he's looking more and more like a 3rd liner every day he plays a game.

He has hands of stone. I don't even think he'll ever be as good as Matt Cullen was in his prime.

Cogliano is not very good at all in terms of offense. He's fast and has good two-way instincts. He's basically Chris Higgins but younger.
Look, he scored 18 goals twice at a young age.

And i also said, a couple times now, that he is no better then Dubinsky, it's a lateral move.

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why would we get rid of dubinsky??????
Because there are better players then him?

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Dubinsky for Cogliano would be a terrible, terrible trade.

Just brutal.

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Dubinsky for Cogliano would be a terrible, terrible trade.

Just brutal.
Agreed.

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I don't want to give up on Higgy just yet - he's clearly snakebitten, but he's good defensively and gets open. Hopefully, the goals will come. 29 games, or whatever, isn't enough to dump him.
Yes it is. The guy is signed for only one year. If he's not producing in the year he's signed, there's no point in keeping him.

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Look, he scored 18 goals twice at a young age.

And i also said, a couple times now, that he is no better then Dubinsky, it's a lateral move.
Look, it doesn't matter what he scored. Teams figured him out and now he doesn't score at all.

And it's not a lateral move. It's a downgrade. You lose Dubinsky's size and physical play for a shrimp who is a Higgins clone.

I wouldn't even think of swapping either as it's a big time downgrade for us.

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Yes it is. The guy is signed for only one year. If he's not producing in the year he's signed, there's no point in keeping him.
Less than 30 games to evaluate/dismiss a guy that's 25 or 26 and has scored 20+ goals 3 times and has always wanted to play @ MSG? No offense, but I'm glad you're not in charge.

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